A spiritual Ishmaelite

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  • A merciful salafi criticism of the Muslim Evangelicals of Tablighi Jamat

    The sayings of Ash-Shaykh Zayd Bn Hādī al-Madkhalī (hafidhahu-Llāh); „O Tablīgh Jamā’ah, by Allāh! We love that the Deen of Allāh be propagated even for twenty-four hours daily but…in what manner do we teach people? We have to teach them the correct knowledge and methodology. You cannot successfully acquire and protect this until you sit with the scholars that are competent to direct towards a sound and unblemished path. However, concerning how they go-out to skylines [for da‟wah] without knowing the correct meaning of lāilāha illā llāh, we reject this for them and we invite them saying: ‘People need knowledge…!’ Worse still, for your reliance on the Sufi methodology and your subservience to those who have allegiance to Sufi ideologies, we will never agree with you on this and will not say that you are on the (right) path of Allāh and so, cleanse the Da’wah from the errors in its methodology….82 He further said: “…but concerning the Tablīgh Jamā’ah, for those who will want to know more about their innovations and heresies, let him read the following books:
    – ‘Waqafāt ma’a Jamā’atit-Tablīgh’ (‘Some Experiences with the Jamā‟āh Tablīgh’) by Ash Shaykh Nazzār bn Ibrāhīm al-Jurbū’ (may Allāh preserve him).

  • A book recommendation to a Unitarian brother enchanted by modern sociologists

    “To my knowledge, this is the best attempt at decolonising the Muslim mind and politics. But it is much more than that. It is a complex and powerful rendering of a Muslim contribution to a new non-liberal cosmopolitanism., and should be read by all.”- Boaventura de Sousa Santos, Professor of Sociology at the University of Coimbra and University of Wisconsin-Madison
    “S. Sayyid has written a highly insightful exploration of Muslim identity (“the ummah”) in the modern world. Unlike many who have pontificated on Islam and Muslims, Sayyid is very well informed on Islamicate and European history, and has an impressive command of contemporary critical theory. The result is an excellent book.” – Talal Asad, Graduate Center of the City University of New York
    https://www.amazon.com/Recalling-Caliphate-Decolonisation-World-Order/dp/1849040036

  • A unbrotherly xenophobic Christian calls Ishmael peace be upon him Satanic

    Romito Olaguer Of course Sarah has to send Hagar away after Isaac the son of promise was born. Ishmael maybe the older son but spiritual seed of Abraham is not thru Ishmael. Ishmael is the result of Satanic corruption in man. He can’t carry the lineage for the Only begotten Son of God Jesus. So stop trying to prove that Islam is the chosen path to man’s way to God. It’s not going to happen.

    Romito Olaguer When Hagar was sent away, she cried and God heard her plea of suffering with out the parental help of Abraham so the angel had to help her come back to Abraham protection, God wants to rear Ishmael to be a good man for God also promised him a great nation, simply Ishmael decendants are part of the gentiles. Just like any other race. Nothing especial as accorded to the the Jewish people tocarry Jesus lineage to bring about Christ birth.

    Ishmael Abraham If firstborn is not spiritually special why Jewish firstborns were required to be priests?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pidyon_haben

    Ishmael Abraham Crying shows her love for Abraham peace be upon him but she sacrificed that for love of God. So, God blessed her with Well of Zamzam mentioned in Bible.

    Ishmael Abraham Bible in Numbers says God is not a man so He cannot have the blasphemy of a son. Bible in Acts calls Jesus peace be upon him a servant of God like Quran.

  • Equivalent of six hundred thousand words of wisdom taught to Imam Ali(r) by the Ishmaelite Prophet(s)

    حضور اکرم ص نے فرمایا: یا علی! تم چھ لاکھ بکریاں پسند کرتے ہو یا چھ لاکھ دینار پسند کرتے ہو یا چھ لاکھ حکمت آمیز باتیں پسند کرتے ہو؟ حضرت علی علیہ السلام نے عرض کی: یا رسول اللہ ص! میں چھ لاکھ باتیں پسند کرتا ہوں۔ آپ نے فرمایا: یا علی! میں چھ لاکھ باتوں کا نچوڑ چھ باتوں میں پیش کرتا ہوں۔ * یا علی! جب لوگوں کو دیکھو کہ وہ نوافل میں مصروف ہیں تو تم فرائض کی تکمیل میں مصروف ہو جائو۔ * یا علی! جب لوگوں کو دیکھو کہ وہ دنیاوی کاموں میں مصروف ہیں تو تم اخروی کاموں میں مشغول ہو جائو۔ * یا علی! جب لوگوں کو دیکھو کہ دوسروں کے عیب نکالنے میں مصروف ہیں تو تم اپنے نفس کی اصلاح میں لگ جائو۔ * یا علی! جب لوگوں کو دیکھو کہ وہ دنیاوی زیب و زینت کے حصول میں مصروف ہیں تو تم آخرت کی زینت کے لئے مصروف ہو جائو۔ * یا علی! جب لوگوں کو کثرت عمل میں مصروف پائو تو تم اخلاص عمل کا نمونہ بن جائو۔ * یا علی! جب لوگوں کو مخلوق کی قربت کے حصول میں بے چین پائو تو تم خدا کے تقرب کے حصول میں مشغول ہو جائو۔ “ہدیتہ الشیعہ:حدیث 23،صفحہ3700”
    When you see people engaged in voluntary virtues. engage in obligatory virtues.
    When you see people engaged in worldly matters, engage in matters of Hereafter.
    When you see people criticizing others, engage in criticizing your own carnal self.
    When you see people engaged in worldly attractions, engage in attractions of Hereafter.
    When you see people engaging in abundance of virtues, engage in sincerity of intentions in virtues.
    When you see people engaged in growing closer to creation, engage in growing closer to Allah.

  • Footwear inside churches and synagogues

    They should not be as stipulated by Exodus 3:5 and Quran 20:12. But since western cultures have hellenized and lost contact with Middle Eastern Abrahamic roots due to antinomian heresy which looks pejoratively at commandments and focuses more on lawless hypothetical purity which does not exist in the real world. The significance of Surah Taha as explained by Prophetic descendants which mentions this commandment is that God loves Surah Taha and the one who recites Surah Taha.

    https://www.quora.com/Why-are-we-allowed-footwear-inside-churches

  • Answering a modernist on Google plus

    Seneca Vitharana Human suffer and have momentary pleasure as well, due to ignorance. For sure, none of the believers can prove the existence of God with empirical evidence. You try hard to justify existence of Allah. So do Christians of their Almighty God. Every religion is calming the superiority over other. Islam is at its worst cuz it’s monotheistic. I agree with you, in this universe and beyond no empirical evidence can be found for everything. In same vein all humbug expressed by some individual like your Prophet should not be cherished in blind faith without being tested with knowledge and evidence we have. Forget about empirical evidence. No one can provide even trace of corroborative evidence. Btw, my post was not about existence of God cuz it’s an utter waste of time and energy. Throughout the history ppl have been arguing on the holycrap on old scriptures, spending lots of resources cuz its the best weapon invented by human to fool and subjugate masses. You too are a victim of it. Having said that faith based religions are not without its own merits. A direct question related to the original post is; are you willing to give your 7 years old little sister/daughter to a wealthy and strong old man enough to be a grandpa in marriage or would you marry to have sex with a little girl and promote polygamy?. If your God/allha does exist , whats the rationality of his existence. When Russia/USA bomb Syria and Iraq all believers, ISIS as well as ordinary ppl shout “The God is great or Allahu Akbar” yet bombs fall, people die/get injured, property damage. So called martyrs kill unarmed ppl including die hard believers in the name of Allah, and shout ” the God Is great” Make sense???. Deprive of freedom of thinking is an abuse. Its done in the name of God. A discussion is difficult when someone is boxed in and in absence of pragmatic and critical thinking.
    Ishmael Abraham“For sure, none of the believers can prove the existence of God with empirical evidence.” Quran 21:30 accurately describes singularity at big bang which is an empirical evidence of a supernatural intelligent author because no one could know that in pre-modern era, along with the lowest point in land on earth
    Ishmael Abraham“A direct question related to the original post is; are you willing to give your 7 years old little sister/daughter to a wealthy and strong old man” There are orthodox scholars who say the age of consent is 15 because Ishmaelite Prophet Muhammad peace and blessings be upon him forbade boys younger than 15 from participating in battle of Badr. Both the act of participating in war and a marriage require intelligent consent otherwise it would be coercion. Hadith texts which mention the age of 9 are not infallible like Quran which is better than modern Delaware of 1880, while the term modernity was coined in 1864. If you rely that the age was precisely 9, why do you deny that moon split into two halves also mentioned in Hadith texts. Modern cultures celebrate Valentine’s day and the romance of Romeo and Juliet is part of modern culture. Romeo was 14 and Juliet was 13. Marriage at puberty accords with our biological nature which starts to reproduce at puberty and it is very inconsistent for secular naturalists to deny human nature who usually come up with this allegation.So, I will marry my daughter and sister at 15. Modern actor Harrison Ford married a woman 22 years younger than him. Quran 24:58 for example takes great care that children do not end up accidentally looking at private parts of their elders, so how can such a Scripture tolerate sexual contact prior to puberty
    Ishmael Abraham Suicide bombers are traumatized by murder of millions of their brothers and sister and by pornography. It is strange that you would support a gay person who would commit suicide but do not want to understand the psychology of a suicide bomber. Talal Asad a modern Muslim sociologist have written a book on psychology of suicide bombers. And, we do not worry about falling bombs because God says in Quran 21:105 that Holy Land of Middle East will finally be ruled by righteous servants of God.

  • A Jew says God gave Holy Land to Jews in Quran

    https://www.quora.com/Whos-safer-a-Palestinian-in-Israeli-territory-or-an-Israeli-in-Palestinian-territory

    Philip Moran 2 upvotes
    You said:”Palestinians have lived in Israel since before it was Israel”. Yes, but the Palestinians were the Jews! It was in 1964 that the Arabs living in Israel were renamed as ‘Palestinians’ by the KGB. But you know this.
    In the Palestine Mandate there are Jews and non Jews, no Palestinians. The Koran too speaks of Jews many times but no Palestinians or Palestine. It does mention the Holy Land which in 5:20–21 Allah gives it to the Jews and nobody else!
    Ishmael Abraham
    In the next verse, God tells how Jews disobeyed Moses peace be upon him and refused to fight the stronger army. Today the stronger secular army of Goliath is Israel. Palestinians do not have a strong modern army. According to Quran 28:5 2:124 and 21:105 God will make weaker righteous people the rulers of Holy Land, while Israel has gay clubs and pubs. So, Jews in order to be included in Abrahamic covenant of leadership of Holy Land in Quran 2:124 should follow the Ishmaelite Prophet of Deuteronomy 18 and Isaiah 42.
    David Minger 2 upvotes
    Jews _were_ Palestinians before the creation of Israel, as were others living in Palestine pre-Israel. The name Palestine itself is a fairly recent political construct, with the word most likely coming from the Philistines, who primarily occupied a small region in what is now Gaza. When Palestine was first constructed and defined by Western powers toward a Jewish homeland, it included what is now Jordan. Jordan was eventually split off and former “Palestinians” became Jordanian citizens. Then the remainder of Palestine — from the Jordan River to the sea — was what was left of Palestine for the Jewish homeland. Then even that got whittled down to provide an area of the West Bank and Gaza to be removed from the proposed Jewish homeland.
    And it is perplexing that the same people who pontificate against Israel having been provided as a Jewish homeland carved out of the former (Muslim) Ottoman Empire are deafeningly silent on a similar situation about 2,000 miles away — where Pakistan was carved out of primarily Hindu India to create an Islamic state (originally there was East and West Pakistan, with East Pakistan eventually splitting off politically and becoming Bangladesh).
    That division resulted in a horror of murders, deaths, rapes, and loss of property for millions of displaced people — far greater than the impact of the creation of Israel where Arab Palestinians fled or were pushed out even while a similar number of Jews were pushed out of or fled Muslim parts of the Middle East and northern Africa. If the creation of Israel was such an “affront,” how much greater must the complaints be about the creation of East and West Pakistan? Yet there is little more than silence, giving the appearance that the creation of religious-based states is only a problem when a Jewish state is involved, and not a problem when a Muslim state is involved.
    Ishmael Abraham
    I am a Muslim from Pakistan and ancestors of Pakistanis were Hindus who converted to Islam. Did any Palestinian convert to Judaism.

  • The love and mercy of Khomeini for his wife

    امام خمینی کی بیوی خدیجہ صقافی کہتی ہیں کہ۔۔۔ خمینی جب بھی صلواۃالیل (تہجد) کے لئے اٹھتے مجھے پتا نہیں چلتا کیونکہ میرے آرام کی خاطر وہ لائٹ نہیں جلاتے تھے، وضو کرنے جاتے تو نل کے نیچے ایک فوم (Sponge) رکھ دیتے تاکہ پانی کی آواز سے میری نیند نا خراب ہو۔۔۔۔۔ وہ کہتی ہیں کہ آغا نے مجھے ہمیشہ کمرے میں بہتر جگہ آرام کے لئے پیش کی، جب تک میں دسترخوان پر نہیں آجاتی وہ کھانا شروع نہیں کرتے تھے اور یہ ہی تلقین بچوں کو کرتے کہ پہلے تمہاری ماں کو آنے دیا کرو پھر کھانا شروع کرو۔۔۔۔ وہ مزید کہتی ہیں کہ کبھی ایسا نہیں ہوا کہ میں کمرے میں داخل ہوئی ہوں اور آغا نے مجھے دروازہ بند کرنے کا کہا ہو، جب میں دروازہ بند کرنا بھول جاتی تو میرے بیٹھ جانے کے بعد وہ خود اٹھ کر دروازہ بند کردیتے۔ امام خمینی کی بیٹی صدیقہ کہتی ہیں کہ آغاجان والدہ کی غیر معمولی عزت کیا کرتے تھے،اور صرف والدہ ہی نہیں وہ ہمیں بیٹیوں کو بھی غیر معمولی عزت دیا کرتے تھے حتی کہ بیٹوں سے بھی پانی مانگنا مناسب نہیں سمجھتے تھے اور خود اٹھ کر پانی پیتے، آغا جان زندگی کے آخری دنوں میں جب شدید علیل تھے اس وقت بھی والدہ کا خیال اپنے آپ سے زیادہ رہتا تھا، آنکھ کھولتے اور اگر کچھ بولنے کے قابل ہوتے تو پوچھتے “خانم کیسی ہے؟” ہم بتاتے وہ اچھی ہیں انہیں بلائیں۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔؟ تو منع کردیتے کہ اسے آرام کرنے دو اسکی کمر میں تکلیف ہوگی۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔

  • Dialogue with a unitarian who loves me about Yashua’s kingdom

    Ishmael Abraham Can ALLH be the true tetragrammaton? Because in Aramaic bible, Jesus peace be upon him uses the word Allaha.
    Andy Trimble It;s two different languages and two different books, so, no.
    Ishmael Abraham Hebrew/Arabic/Aramaic are sister/cognate languages and we are lost cousins.
    Andy Trimble So you agree with me?
    Ishmael Abraham No. The similarities outweigh the differences.
    Andy Trimble The books are completely different.
    Ishmael Abraham How. I consider Pierre a brother because he is an Abrahamic Unitarian like me.
    Andy Trimble I’m confused. Are you saying the Koran and the Hebrew scriptures are identical?
    Ishmael Abraham 99 percent identical. Same God. Same morality. Islam came only to remove pagan greek influence and tighter laws of Sabbath among others.
    Ishmael Abraham One God of Abraham, Ishmael and Isaac peace be upon them.
    Andy Trimble It rejects Jesus as the son of God. It teaches that works are the way to salvation, thru submission.
    Those are two wildly different concepts. Surely you don’t truly believe they are 99% identical.
    Ishmael Abraham Bible in Acts calls Jesus peace be upon him a servant of God like Quran. Bible in Numbers says God is not a man. So, having sons is inconsistent. This heresy leads to Mormons calling Mary peace be upon her a wife of God.
    Ishmael Abraham If you read Quran it reiterates faith and works, faith and works. Jesus peace be upon him also said: If you want to enter life keep the commandments.
    Andy Trimble That’s man made religion. I’m talking about the scriptures themselves, which do not say that Jesus is God. I agree with you on that.
    But the Koran says “God begotteth no son.”
    Andy Trimble Jesus IS the son of God. Anyone who confesses Him as their Lord (not equivalent to their God) also becomes a son of God.
    God is our Father, of course He can have sons and daughters.
    Andy Trimble I agree with you that the unitarian view is correct, but we differ, very distinctly, about the identity of Yashua, the son of Yahweh.
    Ishmael Abraham You did not refute the Numbers verse that God is not a man.
    Andy Trimble Of course not. Yashua is not Yahweh.
    Ishmael Abraham Yashua will be our future Caliph.
    Ishmael Abraham Our shared King Messiah.
    Andy Trimble He is my current leader. He is not sitting idly by. God has highly exalted Him and made the Lord of all flesh.
    Andy Trimble I agree that He will reign over all when He returns.
    Ishmael Abraham We are here to prepare for his temporal kingdom because West has too paganized away from its Middle Eastern Abrahamic roots that it cannot recover from it and so unfit for his temporal kingdom.
    Andy Trimble We are here to call people to repent, and to turn their hearts to God, thru the Lord Jesus.
    Andy Trimble With all due respect, Muslims make the same mistake many Unitarians do: in rejecting the false trinitarian doctrine, they go too far. They push Jesus aside completely, not understanding that He is running the show as God commands Him to.
    Joseph’s relationship to Pharaoh in Egypt is the prophetic foreshadowing of what Yashua is doing now.
    Ishmael Abraham You are right. This is what Salafis do here. In trying to refute Shias they ignore the Prophetic family. The Ishmaelite King the Guided One and Israelite Messiah will work together against pseudo-Jewish Antichrist.
    Ishmael Abraham I have to face the House of God like Daniel peace be upon him for sunset prayers in few minutes. I will be back.
    Andy Trimble After Joseph interpreted Pharaoh’s dreams, Pharaoh made Joseph the Lord over Egypt. His words are profound…
    Genesis 41 38 And Pharaoh said to his servants, “Can we find a man like this, in whom is the Spirit of God?” 39 Then Pharaoh said to Joseph, “Since God has shown you all this, there is none so discerning and wise as you are. 40 You shall be over my house, and all my people shall order themselves as you command. Only as regards the throne will I be greater than you.” 41 And Pharaoh said to Joseph, “See, I have set you over all the land of Egypt.” 42 Then Pharaoh took his signet ring from his hand and put it on Joseph’s hand, and clothed him in garments of fine linen and put a gold chain about his neck. 43 And he made him ride in his second chariot. And they called out before him, “Bow the knee!” Thus he set him over all the land of Egypt. 44 Moreover, Pharaoh said to Joseph, “I am Pharaoh, and without your consent no one shall lift up hand or foot in all the land of Egypt.”
    Andy Trimble You don’t have to do that anymore. The house of God lives IN you if Jesus Christ is your Lord.
    God does not dwell n Temples made with hands.
    Andy Trimble Your piety and your respect for God is admirable, brother. Throw off the shackles of religion and walk into the glorious freedom that Jesus Christ died to give you.
    Not as westerners, as you describe, who use freedom as an excuse to sin, but use freedom to worship God as He directs you, and accept the holy spirit that He wants to give you.
    Ishmael Abraham Jesus peace be upon him will perform Pilgrimage to the House of God built by Abraham and Ishmael peace be upon them when he returns. Paul corrupted the church by introducing this antinomian heresy you describe. That helped Antichrist of secularism to become powerful.
    Ishmael Abraham What is the Egypt of today. It is Antichrist secularism and Jews and Christians have embraced it and only Muslims resist it.
    Andy Trimble I’m not talking about Egypt.
    I’m talking about the RELATIONSHIP between Joseph and Pharaoh.
    In this analogy Joseph = Jesus, and Pharaoh = God.
    It’s a prophetic foreshadowing.
    Andy Trimble If I spoke of Mohammed the way you speak of Paul, you would be highly insulted, wouldn’t you?
    Ishmael Abraham Quran also quotes the kingdom of Joseph peace be upon him in Chapter 12 and some scholars say that according to Quran 12:55 one can acquire kingdom provided that you follow the Scripture.
    Ishmael Abraham I did not insult Paul. He talked about praying without ceasing like Muslims do and he taught women cover their heads like Muslim women do but it is not insulting to disagree when he calls law/commandments a curse while Jesus peace be upon him calls them source of life.
    Andy Trimble Here;s your quote:
    “Paul corrupted the church by introducing this antinomian heresy you describe. That helped Antichrist of secularism to become powerful.”
    Ishmael Abraham It is descriptive and I pray God enlightens your heart to understand how secularism became powerful in West.
    Andy Trimble Is Isaiah a heretic?
    Isaiah 66:1 Thus says the LORD, “Heaven is My throne and the earth is My footstool. Where then is a house you could build for Me? And where is a place that I may rest? Andy Trimble I know why secularism rose. Because people did not heed the words of Paul .
    Andy Trimble 1 Kings 8:27 “But will God indeed dwell on the earth? Behold, heaven and the highest heaven cannot contain You, how much less this house which I have built! Ishmael Abraham Isaiah accords with Muslim doctrine that God is not physically located in Temples as ignorants think, but you forget the role of Messiah to revive the Temple.
    Andy Trimble
    No I don’t.
    Andy Trimble It lives in everyone whom He gives the spirit.
    Andy Trimble If you don’t want the spirit of God to dwell in you, and can’t force you. Ishmael Abraham The idea of in dwelling led to trinity through incarnation.
    Andy Trimble No it didn’t
    Andy Trimble But even if it did, so what? Man corrupts lots of God’s ideas.
    Andy Trimble Mohammed’s rejection of the trinity led to the idea of Jesus being somehow absent and sitting on the sidelines.
    That’s not God’s fault and it doesn’t make the Unitarian doctrine false because people perverted it.
    Andy Trimble So, this 99% the same thing that you said, isn’t true, is it?
    Ishmael Abraham You did not notice the 99% similarity from our shared calmness 🙂
    Andy Trimble LOL… I love you, even if we disagree.
    Andy Trimble Christ came to save everyone, right?
    Andy Trimble Even if they won’t be saved?
    Ishmael Abraham He said: I am sent ONLY to the lost sheep of house of Israel.
    Andy Trimble But he sent his apostles out to save everyone didn’t he? He came to His people first, and when they rejected Him, He threw the doors open.
    Ishmael Abraham The disciples never left the Holy Land. They focused on it to the end of their lives.
    Andy Trimble So, when Peter saved Cornelius’s house, he was disobeying God?
    Andy Trimble Why then, is Islam spreading throughout the world?
    Andy Trimble Shouldn’t you be staying in the holy land?
    Ishmael Abraham Peter had his reservations and those reservations were right but Paul influenced him.
    Andy Trimble That was before he even met Paul.
    Ishmael Abraham Quran 7:158 3:85 and 48:13 describe Islam as universal unlike Jesus peace be upon him.
    Andy Trimble So, I ask again, the Koran and the Bible are NOT 99% the same, are they? Ishmael Abraham Cornelius was in the Holy Land.
    Andy Trimble But he was a Hebrew
    Andy Trimble To which Peter replied, “I perceive that God is no respecter of persons.” Andy Trimble So, I ask again, the Koran and the Bible are NOT 99% the same, are they? Ishmael Abraham They are not only same but have a complementary eschatology.
    Andy Trimble That, sir, is a lie. You have assailed the scriptures during this entire discussion, pointing out time and again how the Koran disagrees with it.
    Why do you do this?
    Andy Trimble Their eschatologies are polar opposites.
    Ishmael Abraham And if Peter had clear instructions of Jesus peace be upon him, he would not need a supposed vision.
    Ishmael Abraham He would not need a vision in the first place.
    Andy Trimble The Koran denies who Jesus is in the bible. The Koran says their will be two in charge during Jesus’ return, the bible says only Jesus will reign. The Koran discredits the apostles. The Koran denies the new birth through God’s spirit. The Koran denies Isaac’s bloodline to Christ.
    I don’t say this to discredit the Koran, but to discredit your statement that it is 99% the same as the Bible.
    Andy Trimble God says “thou shalt not lie.” The Koran says, “it’s okay to lie in order to deceive those who reject Islam.”
    Ishmael Abraham Quran 36:70 talks about spiritual rebirth.
    Andy Trimble You yourself rejected it.
    Andy Trimble You said it leads to the trinity.
    Ishmael Abraham Even bible says the ONLY son was to be sacrificed and Ishmael was the ONLY son before birth of Isaac peace be upon him according to primogeniture. I am a son of Isaac peace be upon him from my father’s side by the way.
    Andy Trimble You said it’s ridiculous to consider God birthing anyone.
    Ishmael Abraham In dwelling and spiritual re birth is not the same thing.
    Andy Trimble So why did you quote the Koran to say that it does?
    Ishmael Abraham Because you are confusing the two concepts. Having a new alive soul is not the same thing as becoming son of God.
    Andy Trimble I would change your statement to, “the Koran and the Bible are 99% different.”
    Andy Trimble Which isn’t true, either, but it’s closer to the truth than 99% the same. Ishmael Abraham When Church forced Muslim Moriscos to convert to Chistianity with death penalty did God allow them to hide their faith. Muslim scholars teach martyrdom is preferable but not everyone has the same level of faith and God loves laity too.
    Andy Trimble The catholic church.
    Andy Trimble always use the correct words on this subject, please Ishmael Abraham You cannot understand our similarities because you do not understand the threat of atheism and secularism.
    Andy Trimble You equating the Roman church with Christianty is like me equating terrism to people like you.
    Ishmael Abraham The only church at the time so were all of them unsaved?
    Andy Trimble The roman church brutalized Christians, too.
    Andy Trimble I do understand the threat of atheism. It is destroying my country.
    Andy Trimble It is causing people to become robotized – we battle it here everyday.
    You are not coming to our rescue. We are fighting back with truth.
    Andy Trimble Let’s not relitigate the crusades in this forum, please.
    Ishmael Abraham I see Catholics are more against people of Sodom than Protestants. Andy Trimble LOL… most catholic priests are homosexuals.
    Andy Trimble The church FORBIDS them to marry.
    Ishmael Abraham They are against the modern culture.
    Ishmael Abraham Quran criticizes catholic celibacy.
    Andy Trimble Then become a Roman Catholic.
    Ishmael Abraham I admire Arian Catholics but they expelled me from their group.
    Andy Trimble You know little about Protestantism if you believe that, btw
    Andy Trimble They are steeped in idolatry.
    Ishmael Abraham Most Protestants are Zionists.
    Andy Trimble Praying to Mary and all the other saints.
    Andy Trimble LOL… you think that because the political leaders are.
    Ishmael Abraham Quran also mentions the heresy of theotokos.
    Ishmael Abraham Protestants have a full fledged Zionist eschatology.
    Andy Trimble Anyway… I’ve run out of time, and I’ve said to you what you need to know.
    Jesus IS the only begotten Son of God. He is the Messiah. God put him in charge, and Jesus has the title of Lord. He died for you and God raised him from the dead.
    Anyone who believes that will inherit everlasting life.Those who do not will face judgment about the way they lives their life. Some will make it, some won’t.
    That is a completely different message from the Qu’ran. I pray that you will consider it. You seem to have a good heart, but you are letting your religion cloud your understanding.
    Please stop lying about the similarities between the Bible and the Qu’ran.
    God’s peace overwhelm your heart and lead you to the savior of mankind, Jesus Christ. Ishmael Abraham The word begotten is controversial among bible scholars. According to Ezekiel 18:20 no one can die for the sins of another. Jesus peace be upon him taught us to take our own crosses and millions of Muslims have already been martyred against Antichrist secularism. Both Quran and Jesus peace be upon him teach Abrahamic Unitarianism(Tawhid) and king dom of God but you are too ignorant of Quran and Ishmaelite Prophet from where Kedar lived in Deuteronomy 18 and Isaiah 42. May you attain salvation through keeping the commandments of Deuteronomy 18 and Isaiah 42.
    Andy Trimble I love how you quote the bible as if it is truth. You are a contradiction in terms. One minute you say the bible is false, the next, you say it is true.
    You cannot read Ezekiel 18:20 without reading the two verses before it. No verse stands by itself. Verse 19 is a question, verse 20 is the answer.
    It does NOT say, no one can ever pay for the sins of another. In fact, the scriptures point clearly and repeatedly to a Messiah who would suffer for all mankind. What you have just done is called “proof texting” – using one verse, taking it out of context, interpreting it the way you want so it fits your doctrine.
    This is commonly call “falsehood.” It is sin, sir, and you should not do it anymore. God doesn’t like it when people do it. I have not distorted the Qu’ran in any way. You should be careful how you distort the Bible.
    I am not ignorant of the Qu’ran, at all. I know what it says, and I know you are lying about it being 99% the same as the Bible.
    Thou shalt not lie. Thou shalt not bear false witness against your neighbor.
    Proverbs 6 12) A worthless person, a wicked man, goes about with CROOKED SPEECH, 13) winks with his eyes, signals with his feet, points with his finger, 14) with perverted heart devises evil, continually sowing discord; 15) therefore calamity will come upon him suddenly; in a moment he will be broken beyond healing. 16) There are six things that YAHWEH HATES, seven that are an abomination to him: 17) haughty eyes, A LYING TONGUE ,and hands that shed innocent blood, 18) a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, 19) A FALSE WITNESS who breathes out LIES, and one who sows discord among brothers.
    (emphasis, mine)
    Ishmael Abraham You consider me a liar because you live a lie that Muslims worship a different God. You forget your own Jewish roots and the significance of concept of spiritual rights of firstborn who is Ishmael peace be upon him a blessed name meaning God hears. Jewish writers of bible and Church did not tell you the second part of Abrahamic story.
    Ishmael Abraham My interpretation of Ezekiel 18:20 is confirmed by words of Jesus peace be upon him about taking our own crosses.

  • Existentialism, secular Buddhism and the Ishmaelite civilisation

    Ishmael Abraham
    Secularists say that Prophets suffer from schizophrenia. What secular Buddhism is trying is to create a non-monastic form of Buddhism to overcome its schizoid tendencies. Even early Christianity had an element of repetitive daily sacraments, but antinomianism removed that from western culture and promoted what Susan Cain calls the Extrovert Ideal of Evangelicalism. An important influence on Kierkegaard was the Ishmaelic near sacrifice in Fear and Trembling. What the Ishmaelite world did was to preserve the monastic repetitive element while overcoming schizoid tendencies by discouraging celibacy of Catholicism/Buddhism and begging in Buddhism. So, what secular Buddhist try to achieve has already been achieved Scripturally and a spiritual civilization exists which tries to pursue those ideas even in politics a dream of Plato.
    Sufism is defined in the same way as Albert Camus as doing what you do not desire to seek the absolute Truth. And, Ibn Arabi popularized in the Ishmaelite world the quote about existence that ‘I think therefore I do not exist.’