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Shalom Aleichem. Thanks for supporting dialogue with Muslims the spiritual Ishmaelites. If all Christians and Jews become Hebraic Biblical Unitarians, that would revolutionize the world in a way Muslim scholars dream of.

Kirby Hopper Well I dunno, some of us are the most Islamophobic people on the planet

Ishmael Abraham When you practically and theologically become like Muslims, the fear will vanish. Secular culture is what makes people Islamophobic but people rationalize it Scripturally.

{you said}Can ALLH be the true Tetragrammaton? Because in Aramaic bible, Jesus peace be upon him uses the word Allaha.

{reply} Aramaic scholar Etan Levine writes: “Once the principle of non-pronunciation was established, and אֲדֹנָי used for יְהוָֽה the Tetragrammaton was freely used in written texts. Thus the Targums frequently use יְהֹוָה where the Hebrew Bible uses אלהים-The Aramaic version of Ruth (Anelecta biblica)1973 by Etan Levine.

Therefore I do think it is accurate to say that ALLH was/is the tetragram. In fact, Exodus 6:3 goes against this notion entirely.

You may do well to report to us the commentary by Tafsīr Jalālayn regarding the name Asaf the son of Barkhiyā used when he spoke to God in prayer.

Please report back to us with your findings.

regards

Ishmael Abraham There is a difference of opinion about the Greatest Name but many scholars think it is Al-Hayy Al-Qayyum الحيُّ القيوم (Quran 2:255) which means God is Alive and Self-Subsisting. Although it is not composed of four letters in both nouns but it agrees with the meaning of YHWH described by bible scholars.

Carlos Madeira Maybe it’s just a bit late and I’m too sleepy to understand what you mean. Maybe it’s a parody of some sort? All I can think about is Jim Jefferies ranting “you can’t start a sentence with ‘as a Christian’ and expect it to make sense.”

Ishmael Abraham Sarcasm is not the best way to deal with intelligent believers.

Carlos Madeira Not being sarcastic. Just sleepy, I promise. Would you clarify what your post means? I am curious about “orthodox muslim”, since I have not heard this denomination before.

Ishmael Abraham I am an ecumenical first century Muslim. Specifically I am a Zaydi Shia (like many Yemenis) with Sunni Hanafi roots. I am an electrical engineer and lecturer from Pakistan.

Carlos Madeira Thanks for the clarification. I am actually trying to learn more about middle east history, will try to look up and learn what you describe. I am Carlos. Parents did their best to provide a Catholic education, but I never got into religion. I guess that makes me an atheist.

Ishmael Abraham I admire Catholic pro-traditionalism so if they acquire Biblical Unitarian/Arian Catholic theology, that can achieve the much needed counter reformation.

Carlos Madeira You mean to say Catholic church needs to reverse back to its roots?

Ishmael Abraham Saint Arius tried that and Newton wanted that too. I have a vision to achieve that. Al-Azhar Rector met Pope but he is not motivated enough to achieve that. I come from a family of scholars.

Carlos Madeira I don’t think it would be easy to convince Europe to go back to its Catholic traditional ways. What would be the benefit? Additionally, a world free of religiously motivated politics is safer and just to all, believers and non believers alike. Modern European values are aligned with this concept, even if the implementation is somewhat flawed.

Ishmael Abraham I recall a western theologian who noticed similarity between Islam and secularism and their emphasis on our intrinsic goodness. I think both Catholic pro-traditionalism and secularism are serving together an opening on mind to Islam.

Ishmael Abraham Catholics and Muslims both shared their skepticism of modern culture and things like teen pregnancies can be healed through such inter civilisational dialogue.

Kirby Hopper It will never happen. The 7 Ecumenical Councils starting with Nicaea are a bedrock to Catholicism and them reversing their position on the godhead would be an admission that God had not provided them as an infallible interpreter of God’s word. Once they admit to fallibility they will lose about half their members, many of whom will become disillusioned by their church, feel robbed, and get mad. Their pastoral inclinations would never allow such a scenario to be instigated by themselves. Those who see the light just have to leave and start afresh.

Ishmael Abraham Secular Catholics can see that.

Ishmael Abraham I just wanted to relate in a positive way to fellow humans. You are allergic to Christian dogma. You never met Muslim humanists throughout your life.

Alex Scalzi well it’s not only christian. i was being a little factitious when i make the ‘makes me literally sick’ joke. what i intend to portray to readers is ANY dogma, religious or otherwise. ideologies all inherently are, NOW the people i have no issue with so long as they let me do me. im cool with ANYONE who never impedes on my three most important things, myself, my family, and my friends. just as long as those conditions are met i dont care what you believe in

Ishmael Abraham Thanks for not being Hitchens who supported Iraq war.

Alex Scalzi lol np, i don’t like war or bloodshed very much as a reality. videos games and movies are one thing but when people are actively killing one another because reasons i wish that i could just move off the planet

This should be shared with Shias because they hate these two personalities.

Umar may God be pleased with him sent the following message to Amr bin Al-As may God be pleased with him. It has reached me that you recline while judging cases of people. Sit in a humble way otherwise I would relieve you from your post. Leave pretentious clothes and wear the clothes of fear and penitence for God, if clothes were a source of honour, God would not tell people to leave their colorful clothes in House of God built by Abraham and Ishmael peace be upon them.

Jerry Sexton He is a good man. Would he be a good man without Islam?

Ishmael Abraham Can be but no reward in Hereafter in that case.

Serpil Mehmet Ishmael you’re wrong brother. If one spends their life doing good deeds, which serves god, they’re rewarded.

Ishmael Abraham Quran 48:13 3:85 7:158

Serpil Mehmet Ishmael Abraham This was revealed about monk friends of Salman Al-Farisi who died before Prophet Muhammad peace and blessings be upon him.

Serpil Mehmet So it only applies to one single person? Really?that wouldn’t make sense? Ishmael Abraham Read my explanation along with the verses I mentioned, it at least makes sense to me. It applies to all unitarian Christians before Prophet Muhammad peace and blessings be upon him in those 600 years.

Ishmael Abraham Otherwise you cannot explain the passion of Companions to save the humanity from Fire. They left their homes and died in far away lands simply to do that.

Serpil Mehmet I’ll read up. I’m not an expert on islam. And to be honest, I find that it’s all down to interpretation. Which is why people are so divided. Because there are so many interpretations of the same things. My point is this- I’d somebody has been raised in an environment where islam is not studied or spoken about,but they grow to be a compassionate person who spends their life serving humanity – does that person bot deserve heaven?

Ishmael Abraham There is a consensus of both Sunni and Shia scholars on this. Only modernists dislike that because they want to be lazy about reaching out to humanity. They will be fully rewarded in this life for that and they are.

The eleven Imams(as) led quietist lives except Imam Ali(as) and Imam Husain(as). However Imam Zayd(as) led a revolution. So, Zaydi Shias had the most martyrs in Muslim history yet they have a moderate theology of love of both Prophetic family and four Righteous Caliphs.

Hussain Murtaza It’s not about moderation, it’s about purity. Zaidis don’t have a proper system of Imamat. Many of their Imams in Yemen have been brute savages.

Ishmael Abraham For example which Imam was a brute savage?

Hussain Murtaza Read the history of Zaidi Imams in Yemen.

Hussain Murtaza Imam Ahmad bin Yahya of the 1950s was a tyrant.

Hussain Murtaza Why are you not condemning the Saudi led war of aggression against Yemeni Zaidis?? Iran is supporting them there

Ishmael Abraham Twelvers are bigger tyrants. Safawis burnt the dead body of Abu Hanifah. Iran is with Yemen not because they love Zaydis but because they oppose Saudia. Otherwise, Majlisi has called Zaydis kuffar.

Hussain Murtaza Do you condemn the Saudi war against Yemeni Zaidis.?

Hussain Murtaza Where did Majlisi declare Takfir upon Zaidis?

Hussain Murtaza Shah Ismail Safavi was a Nuseri, not a twelver.

Ishmael Abrahamأقول كتب أخبارنا مشحونة بالأخبار الدالة على كفر الزيدية ( بحار الأنوار / المجلسي /باب 49 نادر في ذكر مذاهب الذين خالفوا الفرقة المحقة في القول بالأئمة الاثنى عشرية)

Hussain Murtaza You are quoting Majlisi from a third party. Writing about signs of kufr doesn’t mean an emphatic Takfir.

Ishmael Abraham Bihar Al Anwar is not third party and he clearly uses the word kufr.

Ishmael Abraham Not signs of kufr.

Hussain Murtaza Ah so this a direct quotation from Bihar ul Anwar. Let me see.

Hussain Murtazaبالأخبار الدالة

Ishmael Abraham These reports prove.

Hussain Murtaza The quotation looks like a third party quoting from Bihar ul Anwar.

Ishmael Abrahamأقول means I the Majlisi say

Hussain Murtaza In Haqul Yaqin, Majlisi has clearly stated that non Shia claimants of Islam, are legally accepted as Muslims till the reappearance of our Imam. But in principle the act of deliberately rejecting the Wilayah of the Infallible Imams of Ahlul Bayt is akin to kufr, just like tark e Salah is kufr according to the message of Hadith, legally declaring Takfir is different.

Hussain Murtaza However, a Zaidi Imam who claims infallibility, becomes an infidel.

Ishmael Abraham Imam Zayd called to himself too. Quran says those who ulama who do jihad are superior to those who do not.

Hussain Murtaza Shias have always accepted non Shia claimants of Islam legally as Muslims, check the correspondence between Hilli and Ibn Tammiyah.

Hussain Murtaza Still you didn’t condemn the Saudi war against Zaidis.

Ishmael Abraham My sympathies are with orthodox Zaydis not Jarudis.

Hussain Murtaza Jarudis were the earliest Zaidis to carry out an active struggle against Bani Ummayah and Bani Abbas, whom else do you consider Orthodox Zaidis?

Ishmael Abraham Imams(as) called Abu Jarud a blind Shaytan sarhub who lived in the sea.

Hussain Murtaza Which group of Zaidis was actually condoned by Twelver Imams?

Ishmael Abraham All Imams(as) loved revolt of Imam Zayd(as). Jarudis are minority, the majority are still moderate.

Hussain Murtaza If Yemeni Zaidis are a minority, then where are the majority Zaidis of today?

Hussain Murtaza I am not talking about Zaid himself, did the Imams condone Sulaymanniyah?

Ishmael Abraham I think they are more than 10 million.

Hussain Murtaza Where??

Ishmael Abraham Suleymaniyyah call Uthman(r) kafir so they are not Muslims.

Hussain Murtaza The Imams didn’t endorse any Zaidi group.

Ishmael Abraham Imams(as) did not endorse Usulis and Akhbaris too

Ishmael Abraham Instead of teaching non-Jews the laws of Torah, modern Zionists are teaching pagan greek laws to non-Jews.

Alperovich Anatoly Don’t worry. Israeli society is going through orthodoxation, soon the majority will wear hat and beard. When Saudi’s are talking peace with Israel , the messiah is coming. I am glad you comment on my post. Tislam.

Ishmael Abraham The true Messiah is the Son of Mary peace be upon both and he will rule Israel as a Muslim.

Alperovich Anatoly You confuse me with that. I never met a muslim with such a devotion to Jesus. Or even saying “prophetic family” . It sounds like kind of christianized islam. May be you really have some revolutionary message.

Ishmael Abraham You would find no Muslim scholar disagreeing with me on that.

Jeffrey Dean This person did not understand one basic thing, however, that the “Jesus” Christianity teaches is a false God and the “Jesus” of the Bible is a man approved of God, a prophet like unto Moses.

Good day to you Ishmael! I hear you are searching for the truth concerning the Lord Jesus Christ? Are you familiar with the Torah? I am a servant of His Holy Spirit. If you follow Truth, we two will get along splendidly. My task is not to “convert you”, but to put forth the Truth and let the Father guide. We will both want to prove the other wrong, unless we only put forth the Truth of the Father. I will not move forward when I share truth, until we both agree it is so. Fair enough?

Me: I admire that you focus on God the Creator more than Christ the servant as mentioned in Acts. Me: I try to keep commandments of Torah. I know Arabic which is sister language of Hebrew.

Christ came as the Father’s ‘agent’ in our Salvation. Without Christ, there would be no atonement. But also, if there was no Christ, we would see nothing, for He is invisible as His Holy Spirit and a devouring spiritual fire if incarnate. The Father says in Isaiah 43: 10-11, “…that you would come to know and believe in me. I, I am my servant…”

Me: That verse actually says there is no Saviour except the Creator as mentioned in Quran. Isaiah 43:11 You are my witnesses,” says the Lord , “my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may consider and believe in me, and understand that I am he. No god was formed before me, and none will outlive me. I, I am the Lord , and there is no deliverer besides me. I decreed and delivered and proclaimed, and there was no other god among you. You are my witnesses,” says the Lord , “that I am God. From this day forward I am he; no one can deliver from my power; I will act, and who can prevent it?” Isaiah 43:10‭-‬13 NET

Me: Christ is the true King Messiah who will soon establish righteous kingdom in Middle East with the help of Pashtun Israel. Me: One meaning of Christ is that he traveled on earth to preach and Tablighi Jamat travel on earth like Christ to preach. Me: I admire your faith in challenging times of modern culture As in Isaiah, the Father, through His prophet, says He is His servant. If God IS His servant there are several points. 1) The Father is a devouring fire. 2) His Holy Spirit is invisible. Both are God, because He is One. 3) God detests Sin, so unless His servant is Holy and blameless, The Father cannot be One within Him. Sin comes through the head of the family, thus, with no human father to make Mary pregnant, His Holy Spirit initiating the conception of Mary’s egg, God becomes the Father of the sinless child in Mary’s womb. The Father is still One, however, through His Holy Spirit, within the fetus in Mary, which is without Sin, God, the Father, who is One, is united within Jesus Christ.

Me: Jesus peace be upon him talks about being ONE with disciples too, but that does not mean disciples are Gods too. The Lord taught me the true relationship between the Father, the Son and His Holy Spirit.

We call Jesus Word of God and Son of Mary. Cannot be Son of Mary, because without God, the egg would not have fertilized

Me: We believe Holy Spirit is Archangel Gabriel peace be upon him. His Holy Spirit is the Mind of God.

Bible in Numbers says God is not a man, so He does not fertilize. You agree God is Allah. Allah is One, right?

Me: Yes. Jesus called God Allaha too in Aramaic. If God has several parts, He is still One His Holy Spirit is His Living Word, for He is the Living God He is truth

Me: He is Indivisible without parts and partners. He is life Amen

Me: God helps Prophets through Holy Spirit. You chop off a finger, there is you and your finger, apart from you, correct? God chops off a finger, there is still God God is Himself

Me: God is not a man, so we should not use human analogies like in Numbers His Holy Spirit is Himself. He is One God said He is one. Not man.

Me: He is uniquely one. Me: We can work together on moral issues like abortion and gay marriage, so theology of Quran will make itself obvious through our spirituality. If God is One, if He pours out His Holy Spirit, how can His Holy Spirit be Gabriel filling up many people? Gabriel would have to be in many people at once… only God can do this. Scripture says; (3:1) After all of this I will pour out my Spirit on all kinds of people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy. Your elderly will have revelatory dreams; your young men will see prophetic visions. Even on male and female servants I will pour out my Spirit in those days. Joel 2:28‭-‬29 NET

Me: There is a Chapter of Mary in Quran and who recites it will be in the company of Christ in heaven. Me: I think Joel is talking about Prophets of Israel and Ishmaelites not ordinary believers like us. Jesus Christ is the Father, unseen, through His Holy Spirit, One, within His servant. We see a man, but we do not see the invisible Father. But when we see that a mere man cannot do miracles unless the Father is within…

Me: Those miracles are through permission of God not incarnation because other Prophets did miracles too.

Prophets do not do miracles unless His Holy Spirit is One within

Me: So, are those Prophets Gods too?

Prophets are God’s mouth to mankind. Yes. But if they do not glorify the Father, they are not His

Me: That’s what Muslims want, glorifying Creator the most. A mere man cannot know the will of God, unless God, who is One, has placed His Holy Spirit , within that man The Father says, by glorifying Him, within His Son, we are His true Children

Me: We call it Light of God through which He illuminates the hearts of believers. Amen. But the Father has Authorized the Son to have all authority in Heaven and on earth. They are One, through Jesus Christ’ The Father glorifies Himself through His prophets, yes? Jesus is the first union of God with a Man. All who see the Truth of the Father within the Son, are His true Children The Father is still One, but He is within and through Him And when we recognize His Truth in word andcaction, in Jesus, He also in swells us with His same Holy Spirit We will ALL , one day, be His prophet sons and daughters

Me: Christ will be granted temporal authority and he will kill the secular Jewish Antichrist. His Holy Spirit working THROUGH us, as His prophetic instruments Amen He already has that Authority He will return it once all his enemies are crushed, at the end of the age Christ is in Union with the Father, because the Father begat Jesus Christ from man, through Mary, to fulfill prophecy The Jews will, in their pride, embrace the antichrist as their Messiah. GOD, Through His Son, will destroy the antichrist. A remnant of Jews are set aside by the Father, however, all who do not recognize the Father within the Son, by His miracles and His Word, will perish, with the world Bless you in your search for Truth, my dear friend.

Me: The remnants are Pashtun Israel. Thanks for your time brother

The remnants, as One, will all collectively, recognize the Truth of Himself, in word and deed, within Jesus Christ. Then all who similarly surrendered to the Truth in Jesus Christ will be One, the Father, One in ALL. ALL not One within Him…

Me: The Arabic word for Truth is Haq. I love that you use it. The Father is One Truth and all surrendered to His Living Word, One within Jesus Christ only speak Truth, for we are united as One, through Him. I can only speak Truth, for I am Wholly His servant. His Holy Spirit has named me, “Joshua”.

Me: Quran Chapter 18 talks about Joshua too.

Bless you, bro. Keep searching. Pure Wisdom is pure truth which is God the Father. He is Life and Light. Thus Truth is Life, Light and Wisdom.

Me: Stay in touch. We can change the world together. Only the Father, through His surrendered sons, can change the world. Man just destroys it… Sons and Daughters

Me:I surrender myself to Him. If you have two perfectly pure glasses of refined water And you pour them into the same container, They are still two glasses of water, in one container But, they are One, because both are pure So too the Father and the Son, as Jesus Christ Both, without Sin. Wholly one, no sin (impurity )to divide The Son acts, but only as the Father within, directs Fully God, yet fully man, both pure Jesus does the Father’s will But, they are One, because They have no sin We regular men, born of sin, cannot be like Christ

Me: One can be sinless but when we eat and drink we become impure so Christ also ate and drank so still no one can acquire divine purity.