Interfaith dialogue

How to Scripturally and intelligently deradicalize a trinitarian Christian extremist

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Thomas Edward Morgan Jr. Jesus is God in physical form.
The Father is Shekinah Glory and boundless.
The Holy Spirit is the fullness of God indwelling sinful men.
Jesus can reveal the Father or Shekinah Glory by transfiguring. We can gain Jesus’ spirit by becoming a believer in the power of His blood to cover our sin.
If I step boldly before the throne of God, I shall see Christ Jesus sitting at the throne.
I will be filled with the Holy Spirit.
Shekinah Glory shall be filling the whole of the heavens.
What is not to understand? These three are one.
Ishmael Abraham Can God take the physical form of an idol? I think Shekinah is creation not Creator. God mentions Shekinah in Quran 2:248 9:26 9:40 48:4 48:18 48:26. For the curiosity of Shia readers, most of these verses are from Chapter of Repentance which mentions the first Caliph of Islam and Chapter of Victory which contains the most famous verse honouring the blessed Companions. I think God the Creator is the fullness of God. Since the concept of indwelling can lead to heresy of making an infinite God occupy a finite space, we use the concept of spiritual vitality and/or re-birth as mentioned in Quran 8:24 and 36:70. I think if spirit supposedly indwells, we cease to be sinners but when we become sinners faith departs. This is how the Ishmaelite light of gentiles (p) described it. He said: When a believer commits fornication, faith departs him and hovers over him like a shadow and when he stops doing that the faith returns. We believe that ink of sacred scholars is more beloved to God than blood of martyrs and according to Ezekiel 18:20 no one can die for the sins of another. However, God commands in Quran 108:2 that we should spill the blood of animals to remind us of the Abrahamic sacrifice. We also believe that an Ishmaelite saint gave his blood for God in desert of karbala. We admit that Jesus peace be upon him had willingness to give blood but since he is a victorious King Messiah, even secular Antichrist cannot kill him. If you really want to be close to the Throne of God please recite Quran 2:255 and 9:129. Some sufi Muslims also think that the Ishmaelite light of gentiles will sit with God on his throne, but orthodox scholars consider it a heretical and blasphemous concept. I understand the concepts you use more than American secularists whom you love more, but I find the hypostatic union an influence of greco-roman paganism which has seduced both Christians and secularists.
Thomas Edward Morgan Jr. Sampson was indwelt and slew humans who were as wicked as Muslims in the thousands.
Ishmael Abraham Muslims fight with jawbones like Samson while America has weapons like Goliath?
Assalamu alaykum. This article has helped me during dialogue with a trinitarian militant Christian on the concept of indwelling of spirit. Thanks a lot.

The ignored traditional scholars and skepticism of halal courtship

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I think such projects should involve traditional scholars, because many orthodox Muslims treat even courtship as scandalous. The Nouman Ali Khan controversy has shown us that traditional scholars have not been consulted on specifics of halal courtship.
Sheikh Ahmad Kutty a graduate of Madina university has discussed this issue but still the input of major mainstream traditional scholars is missing on this issue. He writes: “ It is, therefore, important that as a community we should encourage creative ways of facilitating marriages.” If we really want to counter the sexual revolution and reduce zina in traditional societies, we should facilitate nikah between compatible believers based on the concept of kufu.

A Shia believer tries to outwit me through sarcasm for being a dissenter of popular Shi’ism

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Sean Stone: A convert to Islam with Jewish descent
Ishmael Abraham Waqar Anwar
Hussain Murtaza Waqar Anwar jumped off his chair the moment you tagged him on this post.
Ishmael Abraham Sean became a Shia BTW.
Ishmael Abraham But he loves Sunni Rumi too.
Hussain Murtaza Rumi is frowned upon first and foremost by your beloved Salafis. Many Shi’a scholars, including Ayatullah Khomeini, openly expressed admiration for him.
Ishmael Abraham But I have read riwayat of Ahlulbayt where they critcize Sufis like Salafi scholars as well. Ayatollah Borqei is an example of such a Salafi Shia scholar.
Hussain Murtaza Please also tag Waqar Younis, he was one of the greatest fast bowlers Pakistan ever produced.
Hussain Murtaza I know. The condemnation of Sufia is unanimously established among all of mainstream Islam, particularly Ithna Asharia. But what kind of Sufi, and for what reasons, is a subject to this condemnation is a question of much. Hence the case of Maulana Rumi becomes subjective. Personally I neither admire nor condemn him. Ishmael Abraham I neither admire nor condemn you

Night of Siffin: Dialogue with a religious Talmudic Jew regarding Zuckerberg, Shema and lost tribes

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ISHMAEL ABRAHAM·TUESDAY, 24 OCTOBER 2017

Alperovich Anatoly Ishmael Abraham sorry , i had a post of lost tribes in afghan . I dont know why they deleted it
Ishmael Abraham Israeli govt or fb admin?
Alperovich Anatoly Lol. I think fb, it was Israeli post .
Ishmael Abraham But Zuckerberg is Jewish too?
Ishmael Abraham But he is secular.
Alperovich Anatoly I will try to check now.
Alperovich Anatoly Yes, i think he is .
Alperovich Anatoly So… your tribesman as well .
Alperovich Anatoly Tislam, Ishmael.
Ishmael Abraham Shalom on truth seekers.  It is written in sacred Islamic texts that God will grant victory to children of Isaac peace be upon him without weapons through dhikr or reciting the remembrance of God by glorifying Him and His holy names. That’s why I told you never to forget reciting Shema before sleeping. Ishmaelite leader of saints Imam Ali(as) said that I did not forget reciting dhikr even during the night of battle of Siffin which was a civil war. So, do not forget that even in the most stressful and anxious days of your life until you die.
Alperovich Anatoly Thank you for that , i remember .

Celibate philosophers and theologians in western and Islamic traditions

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ISHMAEL ABRAHAM·FRIDAY, 20 OCTOBER 2017 
الفلاسفة والعلماء العزاب في التقاليد الغربية والإسلامية
Abu Ghuddah has written a book with the title: The celibate knowers who gave preference to sacred knowledge over marriage. He lists Ibn Taymia, Nawawi, Tabari, Razi and Zamakhshari.
Plato, as far as we know, never married.
St Augustine (“grant me chastity, but not yet”) fathered an illegitimate child, but then became a celibate priest.
Schopenhauer, Kierkegaard, Nietzsche, Sartre and Wittgenstein were all unmarried and childless.
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2016/mar/15/why-philosophers-make-unsuitable-life-partners
However, God rejects celibacy/rahbaniya as a Christian heresy in Quran 57:27 and invites philosophers and theologians towards a Prophetic balance between the extremes of celibacy and sexual revolution called the sacred praxis of sunnah.
Jerry Sexton There are verses both in support and against celebacy in the Bible. Catholics like to reference this one.
Matthew 19:9-12:

“And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for unchastity, and marries another commits adultery; and he who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.” The disciples said to him, “If such is the case of a man with his wife, it is not expedient to marry.” But he said to them, “Not all men can receive this saying, but only those to whom it is given. For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. He who is able to receive this, let him receive it.”

There is one problem. Priests, as far as I know, are not castrated. The hormones cloud thinking, children and women are often the victims of abuse. Here is a verse against celebacy

Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by giving heed to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, through the pretensions of liars whose consciences are seared, who forbid marriage and enjoin abstinence from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth (1 Tim. 4:1-4).

In my view, Jesus didn’t seek out virgins to be his disciples, (although he told them to abandon their families) so why should a preacher be celibate?
Celibacy only leads to temptations driven by hormones.

Ishmael Abraham In tribal and rural culture of Israelites, the temptations were limited, so there could have been a possibility of being able to sustain celibacy. But as humanity evolved, with the possibility of a global urban culture, God ruled out that possibility in Quran.In Quran 7:157 God talks about relieving humanity of certain burdens and liberating them from certain shackles, which includes celibacy. Abandoning families is called hijrah in Islam and the father of saint and legal scholar Rabia Ar- Rai (r) returned to his wife after 27 years. Islam teaches fasting to control the production of hormones. Medical researchers have proven that abstinence does not pose any risk to our physiological health. Learning to deal with the anxiety of abstinence can make us more emotionally intelligent and this emotional intelligence can become an effective part of our personality through the idea of self-directed neuroplasticity.

Hasan bin Qahtaba: A soldier of conscience or Mouchesias the zealot

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ISHMAEL ABRAHAM·TUESDAY, 17 OCTOBER 2017

الحسن بن قحطبة جندي الضميراو رجل متعصب
Assalamu alaykum brother. May God reward you for the article. I would like to point out that historians of Byzantine empire commit the character assassination of Hasan bin Qahtaba as Mouchesias the Zealot which seems very implausible because a God-fearing man who takes the risk of execution to avoid the sin of murder cannot plausibly be guilty of forced conversion of minorities which is forbidden by Quran 2:256.
His story of conscience:
Muhammad Pure Soul rebelled against al-Mansur in Madina in 145 AH and was supported by the people of Khorasan and others but he was too far away for them to be able to help him. It is reported that in Madina, Malik issued a fatwa, permitting Muhammad to rebel. At-Tabari and Ibn Kathir state that he gave a fatwa commanding people to pledge allegiance to Muhammad ibn ‘Abdullah and that when people said that they had already pledged allegiance to al-Mansur, he said that they had been forced and that a forced allegiance is not binding. So people pledged allegiance. Malik stayed in his house. The affair ended when Muhammad was slain, and the same fate befell his brother Ibrahim after he had rebelled in Iraq, takes several cities and attacked Kufa.
Some people think that this alleged fatwa by Malik was the reason that he was flogged and injured. Abu Hanifa held an even stronger position about the matter than Malik. He openly supported them in his classes. Things reached the point where one of the generals of al-Mansur refused to go out to fight him. It is reported that al-Hasan ibn Qahtaba, one of al-Mansur’s generals, went to Abu Hanifa and said, “My situation is not hidden from you. Can I repent?”
The Imam said, “If Allah knows that you regret what you have done. If you can choose between killing a Muslim and being killed yourself, choose your own death before his. Then you will have a contract with Allah if you do not go back on it. If you fulfil that, you have repented.”
“I have done that,” said Hasan. “I make a contract with Allah that I will never again kill a Muslim.”
Then Ibrahim ibn ‘Abdullah rebelled and al-Mansur com-manded Hasan to go against him. He went to the Imam and told him what had happened and he said, “The moment of your repentance has come. If you fulfil your promise, you have repented. Otherwise, you will be punished for the first and last.”
So he was serious about his repentance, prepared himself for execution, and went to al-Mansur and said, “I will not go against this man. Allah is owed obedience in everything you do as far as you are able. I will have a fuller portion with Him. If it is disobedience, I am responsible.”
Al-Mansur was angry and Hamid ibn Qahtaba, his brother, said, “We have suspected his mind for a year. He seems muddled. I will go. I am more entitled to excellence than him.” So he went. Al-Mansur asked one of his confidants, “Which faqih does he go to?” They said, “He frequents Abu Hanifa.”

Liberal Phariseeism: Character assassination of Nouman Ali Khan by liberals like Atif Choudhury

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ISHMAEL ABRAHAM·SUNDAY, 15 OCTOBER 20173 reads
Message to Atif Choudhary who calls Nouman Ali Khan a Quran scholar an abuser. You sound like a salafi( sola scriptura legalist) against taqlid( hero worship of scholars) but to call sending private marriage proposals abuse is extreme. The sinful aspect is having private conversations. And, liberals are far more guilty of it so they do not have moral credentials of criticism. This phenomenon is called liberal Phariseeism.
Atif Choudhury‏ @SultanOfSmiles
Neither. I am just against preachers and religious figures having secret, predatory relationships with their students and employees. Sue me
@SultanOfSmiles To be consistent you should expose the sexual scandals of secular dictators of the Muslim world too. We prefer forgiveness to lawsuits.

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How is it my job to expose anyone? And who is this “we”? I simply condemn scumbags once they are exposed. All scumbags.

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We means orthodox Muslim scholars and saints. I am a student of school of Shah Waliullah an Indian scholar of Hadith and mysticism.

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Also speaking of lawsuits, nobody has been firing off more than Nouman Ali Khan. Maybe stop being an equivocating centrist and call him out

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I loved your article about counter extremism in Bangladesh.

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I am not a centrist. I am a moderate right winger.

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Traditional scholars are not like this.

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That reflects the Americanism of NAK. His Americanism is what made him have lenient standards regarding segregation.

Quran, Dunning-Kruger effect and the analogy of a donkey carrying books

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ISHMAEL ABRAHAM·SUNDAY, 13 DECEMBER 2015

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Many uninformed atheists suffer from Dunning-Kruger effect while assessing their religious knowledge about Islam. Also, many knowledgeable atheists suffer from Dunning-Kruger effect, while assessing their moral abilities, because an informed person has more moral duties which many fail to fulfill. That’s why Quran 62:5 calls Jews who believe in their intellectual and religious superiority, as donkeys carrying books because ignorant among them are not much informed about the relationship between Torah and Islam, while the smarter ones fail to fulfill their moral duties of following truth with respect to Islam. The same holds true about Christians and atheists who believe in their religious and intellectual superiority, respectively.

Are orthodox Muslims anti-Jewish or anti-Armilus?

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Julie Goren does this mean if i google my name, i will find it?
Ishmael Abraham Due to my MS studies, it is difficult for me right now to put my notes on wordpress. Torah im Derech Eretz
Julie Goren i guess i should stop responding to you if you are trolling me.
Ishmael Abraham Trolls are hired for political reasons. I have no political affiliation. I just want to talk to you about Torah and Quran.
Julie Goren first of all you are wrong about trolls but whatever. second you dont want to talk you want to convert
Ishmael Abraham I read that trolls intend to offend others deliberately and I treat you with patience even when you say offensive things. God controls hearts (Muqallib Al Qulub) not me so conversion is beyond my power. May Allah open my eyes and eyes of all humanity for the divine Truth.
Julie Goren well its true you are patient with me. my only question is: am i a pig or a monkey hiding behind the rocks and the trees? i know you hate me and my people, and would like to see me dead, because you believe your book without questions
Ishmael Abraham You are not an atheist but a Torah lover so I do not think you will follow the secular false Messiah Armilus. The war will be between true believers and followers of Armilus. It is primarily a spiritual struggle we face each day to resist the temptation of gold and flesh.
A Jewish Zionist sister Julie Goren unfriends me because she feared converting to Islam. While Islam never expects anyone to stop loving the blessed Torah.

Quran 62:10 and Torah im Derech Eretz

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Quran 62:10 Then, when the prayer is finished, scatter in the land and seek God’s bounty, and remember God frequently; haply you will prosper.
The phrase Torah im Derech Eretz is first found in the Mishna in Tractate Avoth (2:2): “Beautiful is the study of Torah with earning livelihood, as involvement with both makes one forget sin”
“Such is the way of Torah: Bread with salt you shall eat, water in small measure you shall drink, and upon the ground you shall sleep; live a life of deprivation and toil in Torah. If so you do, “fortunate are you, and good is to you” (Psalms 128:2): fortunate are you in this world, and it is good to you in the World To Come.”