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The Magnificat tells us that rather than calling Mary or Jesus peace be upon both one must magnify their Creator
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Steven Dubberly
Steven Dubberly I have no idea what the Magnificat is…My final authority is the Bible. Islam is the creation of Catholic Jesuits. Their finger prints are all over Islam.
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Ishmael Abraham
Ishmael Abraham If Christians were not ignorant about Bible and Quran, the intellectually honest ones would convert to Islam Luke 1:46-55
Mary’s Song of Praise: The Magnificat
46 And Mary said,
“My soul magnifies the Lord,
47 and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior,
48 for he has looked on the humble estate of his servant.
For behold, from now on all generations will call me blessed;
49 for he who is mighty has done great things for me,
and holy is his name.
50 And his mercy is for those who fear him
from generation to generation.
51 He has shown strength with his arm;
he has scattered the proud in the thoughts of their hearts;
52 he has brought down the mighty from their thrones
and exalted those of humble estate;
53 he has filled the hungry with good things,
and the rich he has sent away empty.
54 He has helped his servant Israel,
in remembrance of his mercy,
55 as he spoke to our fathers,
to Abraham and to his offspring forever.”
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Steven Dubberly
Steven Dubberly Abraham, Moses, Jacob, Daniel, Isaiah, Elijah, Job, King David…..and Mary…….They are all dead and buried. None of them can save you. Of course Mary is blessed !!!! But she is not to be worshiped.
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Ishmael Abraham
Ishmael Abraham Elijah peace be upon him is not buried.
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Ishmael Abraham
Ishmael Abraham Only God the Creator can save us not creation no matter how holy they are according to first and greatest commandment.
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Steven Dubberly
Steven Dubberly And as it is appointed unto men once to die, and after this the judgment:
Hebreews 9:27
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Steven Dubberly
Steven Dubberly And YES…Elijah is dead…When Christ and the apostle Peter state that not ONE human being is now in heaven, they are referencing the location of God’s throne, which is the center of the entire universe. When the book of Hebrews says Enoch was “translated” or “taken” (the same thing which occurred to Elijah), it is not stating that the Eternal somehow took him ‘early’ because of his righteousness to receive his eternal award AHEAD of countless people who also deserve eternal life. He traveled WITHIN what we today call the sky to another location on planet earth, which God decided not to name, in order that he should not die at that time.
The Lord, in His wisdom, decided to transport Enoch and Elijah away from where they were originally located so that someone (or something) would not be able to physically kill or murder them at that particular time. They did NOT go to heaven, but continued to live the SAME kind of fleshly existence we do after they moved until they died. This is in agreement with other scriptures that state ALL men must die a physical death.
27. And inasmuch as it is appointed unto men once to die, and after this, the judgment (Hebrews 9:27)
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Steven Dubberly
Steven Dubberly Something similar could have happened to PhillipActs chapter 8 …….9 And when they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord carried Philip away, and the eunuch saw him no more, and went on his way rejoicing. 40 But Philip found himself at Azotus, and as he passed through he preached the gospel to all the towns until he came to Caesarea.
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Ishmael Abraham
Ishmael Abraham Jesus peace be upon him will be concerned with himself and he will not advocate for anyone. Abu Huraira reported:
Meat was one day brought to the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) and a foreleg was offered to him, a part which he liked. He sliced with his teeth a piece out of it and said: I shall be the leader of mankind on the Day of Resurrection. Do you know why? Allah would gather in one plain the earlier and the later (of the human race) on the Day of Resurrection. Then the voice of the proclaimer would be heard by all of them and the eyesight would penetrate through all of them and the sun would come near. People would then experience a degree of anguish, anxiety and agony which they shall not be able to bear and they shall not be able to stand. Some people would say to the others: Don you see in which trouble you are? Don’t you see what (misfortune) has overtaken you? Why don’t you find one who should intercede for you with your Lord? Some would say to the others: Go to Adam. And they would go to Adam and say: O Adam, thou art the father of mankind. Allah created thee by His own Hand and breathed in thee of His spirit and ordered the angels to prostrate before thee. Intercede for us with thy Lord Don’t you see in what (trouble) we are? Don’t you see what (misfortune) has overtaken us? Adam would say: Verily, my Lord is angry, to an extent to which He had never been angry before nor would He be angry afterward. Verily, He forbade me (to go near) that tree and I disobeyed Him. I am concerned with my own self. Go to someone else; go to Noah. They would come to Noah and would say: O Noah, thou art the first of the Messengers (sent) on the earth (after Adam), and Allah named thee as a” Grateful Servant,” intercede for us with thy Lord. Don’t you see in what (trouble) we are? Don’t you see what (misfortune) has overtaken us? He would say: Verily, my Lord is angry today as He had never been angry before, and would never be angry afterwards. There had emanated a curse from me with which I cursed my people. I am concerned with only myself, I am concerned only with myself; you better go to Ibrahim (peace be upon him). They would go to Ibrahim and say: Thou art the apostle of Allah and His Friend amongst the inhabitants of the earth; intercede for us with thy Lord. Don’t you see in which (trouble) we are? Don’t you see what (misfortune) has overtaken us? Ibrahim would say to them: Verily, my Lord is today angry as He had never been angry before and would never be angry afterwards. and (Ibrahim) would mention his lies (and then say): I am concerned only with myself, I am concerned only with myself. You better go to someone else: go to Moses. They would come to Moses (peace be upon him) and say: O Moses, thou art Allah’s messenger, Allah blessed thee with His messengership and His conversation amongst people. Intercede for us with thy Lord. Don’t you see in what (trouble) we are? Don’t you see what (misfortune) has overtaken us? Moses (peace be upon him) would say to them: Verily. my Lord is angry as He had never been angry before and would never be angry afterwards. I, in fact, killed a person whom I had not been ordered to kill. I am concerned with myself, I am concerned with myself. You better go to Jesus (peace be upon him). They would come to Jesus and would say: O Jesus, thou art the messenger of Allah and thou conversed with people in the cradle, (thou art) His Word which I-Ie sent down upon Mary. and (thou art) the Spirit from Him; so intercede for us with thy Lord. Don’t you see (the trouble) in which we are? Don’t you see (the misfortune) that has overtaken us? Jesus (peace be upon him) would say: Verily, my Lord is angry today as He had never been angry before or would ever be angry afterwards. He mentioned no sin of his. (He simply said: ) I am concerned with myself, I am concerned with myself; you go to someone else: better go to Muhammad (ﷺ). They would come to me and say: O Mahammad, thou art the messenger of Allah and the last of the apostles. Allah has pardoned thee all thy previous and later sins. Intercede for us with thy Lord; don’t you see in which (trouble) we are? Don’t you see what (misfortune) has overtaken us? I shall then set off and come below the Throne and fall down prostrate before my Lord; then Allah would reveal to me and inspire me with some of His Praises and Glorifications which He had not revealed to anyone before me. He would then say: Muhammad, raise thy head; ask and it would be granted; intercede and intercession would be accepted I would then raise my head and say: O my Lord, my people, my people. It would be said: O Muhammad, bring in by the right gate of Paradise those of your people who would have no account to render. They would share with the people some other door besides this door. The Prophet then said: By Him in Whose Hand is the life of Muhammad, verify the distance between two door leaves of the Paradise is as great as between Mecca and Hajar, or as between Mecca and Busra.
http://sunnah.com/riyadussaliheen/1…Hadith – The Book of Miscellaneous ahadith of Significant Values – Riyad…
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Ishmael Abraham
Ishmael Abraham { If you are in front of a Sharia Court and the judge says you MUST pay your fine or go to jail or die….and a rich man walks in the court and says that he will pay your debt….hopefully the court allows you to go freely.} According to Ezekiel 18:20 no one can die for another or pay for another.
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Ishmael Abraham
Ishmael Abraham {And inasmuch as it is appointed unto men once to die, and after this, the judgment (Hebrews 9:27)} Then the one who died on cross must be a man.
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Steven Dubberly
Steven Dubberly I agree Jesus is a man and he died…and he was resurrected.
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Steven Dubberly
Steven Dubberly It is obvious above Ishmael that Jesus is not the Messiah in your theology but the dead Mohammed. Very sad indeed.
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Angelica Elsayeeda
Angelica Elsayeeda Lol…Steven do more research. That statement shows you don’t know anything about Jesus in Islam. He was the Messiah and we are awaiting his return, just like you.
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Linda Spencer
Linda Spencer I believe Jesus Christ is the Son of the Living God, that he came to this earth to die a horrible death to pay the penalty for man’s sin, that each of us must accept him as,Lord and Saviour and live a pleasing life for his glory and honor, and that he is coming back to receive his blood washed church that where he is there we may be also. There’s NOT alot of time to get ready for him, we must get ready and STAY ready for his coming is very SOON. God bless each of you>he loves you!!
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Jerry Sexton
Jerry Sexton Vicarious redemption is an immoral teaching. It is a death cult that enables it’s followers to commit wrongdoing without responsibility for actions. Jeffery Dahmer, the serial killer, will be in heaven while I, a law abiding atheist who tries to treat others as I would like to be treated, will be tortured for eternity?
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Angelica Elsayeeda
Angelica Elsayeeda Linda Spencer we believe Jesus was a Prophet of God with a message. We believe God is not human or anything even that our small minds can imagine. We also don’t believe in any one person having to pay for the sins if another. In Islam we are solely accountable for ourselves, before God. We believe God himself is the only savior and our way to Him is through Him and only Him. We are waiting for Jesus to return and rule in peace while giving humanity the chance to come to God. I was raised Catholic. There is no way to explain or make any sense of the trinity (doesn’t exist in the Bible) or the torture and killing of Jesus (a man) as punishment for humans just BEING BORN. God is God. There are no others, no partners, no anything like Her. While you want us to turn to a man, worship him and ask for his acceptance so we can get to God, we have a personal line directly to Him and if you so choose, you can too. There is and should not be ANYONE or anything between you and God.
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Ishmael Abraham
Ishmael Abraham Here are the nine verses in Quran which call him the Messiah a word used not once for Ishmaelite Prophet Muhammad peace and blessings be upon him. {
http://legacy.quran.com/search?q=ma… } Ishmaelite Prophet Muhammad peace and blessings be upon him is Light to Gentiles (Isaiah 42) while Jesus peace be upon him is Light for Israelites ONLY.
maseeh – Qur’an Search – The Noble Qur’an – القرآن الكريم
The Noble Qur’an in many languages in an…
LEGACY.QURAN.COM
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Ishmael Abraham
Ishmael Abraham { God is God. There are no others, no partners, no anything like Her. } I think you wanted to say Him Angelica Elsayeeda 🙂
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Ishmael Abraham
Ishmael Abraham Linda Spencer {I believe Jesus Christ is the Son of the Living God } Bible in Numbers says God is not a man, so He cannot have sons. He is a King so He can have servants like Bible says in Acts that Jesus peace be upon him is a servant of God like Muslims say.
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Ishmael Abraham
Ishmael Abraham {that he came to this earth to die a horrible death} Isaiah 53 only says he was wounded not killed.
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Ishmael Abraham
Ishmael Abraham {to pay the penalty for man’s sin } According to Ezekiel 18:20 no one can die for sins of another.
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Ishmael Abraham
Ishmael Abraham {each of us must accept him as,Lord and Saviour } Jesus peace be upon him accepted God the Creator as Lord and Saviour.
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Jerry Sexton
Jerry Sexton I will agree that Jesus only came for Jews. It is evident in Matthew 15:22-29 when Jesus states it plainly.
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Ishmael Abraham
Ishmael Abraham { his blood washed church } Bible teaches animal sacrifice like Muslims not pagan human sacrifice.
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Ishmael Abraham
Ishmael Abraham {There’s NOT alot of time to get ready for him, we must get ready and STAY ready for his coming is very SOON. } We agree with that and we are preparing for his kingdom by refuting secularism while most Christians are already slaves of secularism.
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Ishmael Abraham
Ishmael Abraham { God bless each of you>he loves you!! } God does not love those who commit evil according to Psalm 5:5
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Ishmael Abraham
Ishmael Abraham {Jeffery Dahmer, the serial killer, will be in heaven while I, a law abiding atheist who tries to treat others as I would like to be treated, will be tortured for eternity?} Jeffrey Dahmer will not be heaven according to Quran 48:13 3:85 7:158 25:1 if he knew about Islam like Christopher Hitchens the murderous atheist ideologue who supported Iraq war super-crucifying millions of keepers of first and greatest commandment.
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Jerry Sexton
Jerry Sexton He will not be in heaven according to Quran, but will be in heaven according to bible. He received vicarious redemption when he professed Jesus as god while in prison.
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Ishmael Abraham
Ishmael Abraham Bible mentions Ishmaelite (Deuteronomy 18) Prophet Muhammad peace and blessings be upon him from the land of Kedar (Isaiah 42) so he did not follow bible but heretic and pagan man-made Christianity like your man-made greco-roman neo-paganism.
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Kirby Hopper
Kirby Hopper Linda Spencer I’m a Christian, and there are a lot of us Christians who question everything we are taught by our churches. I suggest the same for everyone. Are you aware that the doctrine of Penal Substitutionary Atonement that you are espousing was a post-apostolic invention? No Christian theologian taught this in the early Christian church until someone in the western Roman empire came up with the idea. Those in the eastern church never did adopt it and the Eastern Orthodox church to this day still teaches salvation as it was taught by Jesus and his apostles, as do a number of Protestant churches that have taken a close look at what the bible teaches. Yes, Jesus died for our sins, but not in the way you think. Muslims are correct in rejecting this doctrine, however, unfortunately they do not understand why he did die for their sins and what that can mean for them. It’s not about a ticket to heaven, it’s about restoration to wholeness. That’s what “salvation” means in the original language. And relax, there’s plenty of time. Jesus already returned just as he said he would.
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Jerry Sexton
Jerry Sexton Either you confuse me with someone else or you are trying to insult me by putting belief based labels upon me . Either way, you fell short of your objective.
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Ishmael Abraham
Ishmael Abraham Modern atheism is simply a sophisticated form of greco-roman paganism. For example sodomites quote a female homosexual greek poetess.
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Jerry Sexton
Jerry Sexton I quote Jesus but I am not Christian
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Ishmael Abraham
Ishmael Abraham { Muslims are correct in rejecting this doctrine, however, unfortunately they do not understand why he did die for their sins and what that can mean for them. } What do we not understand? Kirby Hopper
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Ishmael Abraham
Ishmael Abraham {Jesus already returned just as he said he would.} Jesus peace be upon him clearly warned that there would be people who will deny second advent and claim to be Messiahs themselves so Kirby Hopper you are only falling short of claiming to be Messiah. Greg Logan has blatantly called you a Prophet.
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Ishmael Abraham
Ishmael Abraham Why do you feel the need to quote Jesus peace be upon him instead of merciless or mentally unstable Buddha who left his wife and child on the day he was born, or murderous Hitchens.
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Kirby Hopper
Kirby Hopper Angelica Elsayeeda I agree all men can go directly to God without a mediator, however I do believe a mediator can be beneficial for anyone. I think the orthodox understanding that “Jesus died for our sins” was meant to be a blessing for those who were alienated from God and had a hard time believing God would forgive is a great way to view Christ’s crucifixion. The man, who represented God, forgave his executioners – how much more will the All Merciful Allah do the same for those who turn from their wicked ways?
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Ishmael Abraham
Ishmael Abraham I apologize if you find a comment insulting Jerry Sexton Quran forbids insults. I simply want a honest confrontational dialogue for better mutual understanding.
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Kirby Hopper
Kirby Hopper BTW the Quran does not teach that Jesus was not crucified. The issue raised by the Quran is who killed him or who thought they killed him, not whether he was killed. It’s all right there in the text.
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Jerry Sexton
Jerry Sexton Ishmael, Jesus told his disciples to leave their families to follow him also. I am not limited to Buddha.
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Ishmael Abraham
Ishmael Abraham Kirby Hopper 50 The Book of Repentance
(4)Chapter: The Vastaess Of Allah’s Mercy, Which Prevails Over His Wrath(4) باب فِي سَعَةِ رَحْمَةِ اللَّهِ تَعَالَى وَأَنَّهَا سَبَقَتْ غَضَبَهُ
Salman reported that Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) said:
Verily, Allah created, on the same very day when He created the heavens and the earth, one hundred parts of mercy. Every part of mercy is coextensive with the space between the heavens. and the earth and He out of this mercy endowed one part to the earth and it is because of this that the mother shows affection to her child and even the beasts and birds show kindness to one another and when there would be the Day of Resurrection, Allah would make full (use of Mercy).
http://sunnah.com/muslim/50/25 Abu Hurairah (May Allah be pleased with him) reported:
Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said, “Allah has divided mercy into one hundred parts; and He retained with Him ninety-nine parts, and sent down to earth one part. Through this one part creatures deal with one another with compassion, so much so that an animal lifts its hoof over its young lest it should hurt it”.
Hadith – The Book of Repentance – Sahih Muslim – Sunnah.com – Sayings…
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Kirby Hopper
Kirby Hopper Ishmael Abraham good grief I never claimed to be messiah and pay Logan no mind he’s just playing with you.
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Ishmael Abraham
Ishmael Abraham Quran categorically denies death at cross and Jesus peace be upon him will break cross upon second advent. 4:157 Dr. Ghali
And for their saying, “Surely we killed the Masih, Isa son of Maryam, (The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary) the Messenger of Allah.” And in no way did they kill him, and in no way did they crucify him, but a resemblance of him was presented to them (i.e. the matter was made obscure for them through mutual resemblance). And surely the ones who differed about him are indeed in doubt about him. (Or: it, “that”) In no way do they have any knowledge about him except the close following of surmise, and in no way did they kill him of a certainty.
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Kirby Hopper
Kirby Hopper Dr. Ghali is engaging in eisogesis. Read the text yourself. The issue is who killed him, not whether he was killed or not.
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Ishmael Abraham
Ishmael Abraham Quran 9:65 forbids engaging in idle talk and jokes about religion. Yet, indeed, if thou wert to question them. they would surely answer, “We were only indulging in idle talk, and were playing [with words]. Say: “Were you, then. mocking at God and His messages and His Apostle?
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Kirby Hopper
Kirby Hopper What on earth are you talking about?
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Ishmael Abraham
Ishmael Abraham All translations of Quran 4:157 say they did not kill him for sure and they are confused.
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Ishmael Abraham
Ishmael Abraham Kirby Hopper I am talking about Greg Logan playing with me.
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Jerry Sexton
Jerry Sexton It’s almost as if someone else is on Ishmael’s computer.
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Ishmael Abraham
Ishmael Abraham Jerry Sexton { Ishmael, Jesus told his disciples to leave their families to follow him also. I am not limited to Buddha.} Leaving the love of apostate, faithless and pagan families is not the same thing as stopping to care about them. There is no evidence that wife of Buddha was an enemy of truth. Buddha simply believed female seduction to be demonic unlike Islam.
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Ishmael Abraham
Ishmael Abraham { I think the orthodox understanding that “Jesus died for our sins” was meant to be a blessing for those who were alienated from God and had a hard time believing God would forgive is a great way to view Christ’s crucifixion.} If God was so forgiving why did He torture a sinless Prophet for sins of others. That is against Ezekiel 18:20. Kirby Hopper
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Kirby Hopper
Kirby Hopper The issue addressed in all translations of 4:157 is who gets the “credit” for killing him. Show me one that says, “Jesus was not crucified.”
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Kirby Hopper
Kirby Hopper God didn’t torture Christ. The Romans did that, obviously.
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Ishmael Abraham
Ishmael Abraham It clearly says ما قتلوه Ma qataloohu Ma (Not) Qatal(Kill) Loo(they) Hu(him).
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Kirby Hopper
Kirby Hopper You aren’t answering my question. I didn’t ask whether the Jews killed him or someone else killed him. Where does it say Jesus was not crucified?
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Ishmael Abraham
Ishmael Abraham It also says ما صلبوه Ma salaboohu Ma(Not) Salab(crucify) Boo(They) Hu(him). Cross is called saleeb in Arabic. Dr. Shabir Ally says it means that he did not die on cross so he is willing to accept crucifixion without death unlike mainstream Muslims.
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Greg Logan
Greg Logan Ishmael Abraham Ish, dude, I would never play with you!! Who are you to decide who is and is not a prophet from God??? Those of us in Christ are to ALL seek the gift of prophecy – which we use to edify the body of Christ (ICor14:1ff).
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Kirby Hopper
Kirby Hopper Again, Ishmael, where does it say in the Quran that Jesus was not crucified? It only says “THEY” did not crucify him. If I say my wife did not paint my house am I saying my house did not get painted?
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Angelica Elsayeeda
Angelica Elsayeeda Allah is not he or she 😉
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Angelica Elsayeeda
Angelica Elsayeeda Kirby Hopper a man was crucified, but we do not believe that man was Jesus. He ascended and will return. Though the people believed it was Jesus on the cross, Muslims are taught it was not and Jesus was saved
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Greg Logan
Greg Logan Angelica Elsayeeda
1. Why does the Quran use a masculine pronoun?
2. Just because a Muslim is taught something – does that make it true??
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Angelica Elsayeeda
Angelica Elsayeeda The translation of Quran says He in line with Abraham tradition. The word Allah is not masculine or feminine and cannot be made plural. That’s why we prefer the word Allah to God. God can become God’s and Goddess. Allah is all.
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Greg Logan
Greg Logan Angelica Elsayeeda With respect, these are just words – and as such, meaningless. What is meaningful is the concept – the model.
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Angelica Elsayeeda
Angelica Elsayeeda As for 2, same with Christianity. Is it true just because we were taught it? The bible does not mention a trinity but we were taught that God is 3. But just 1. But 3 separate. But only 1.
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Angelica Elsayeeda
Angelica Elsayeeda This is why translations can be problematic without the study of language.
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Steven Dubberly
Steven Dubberly Angelica Elsayeeda That’s funny…..because He Him His are used throughout the bible…..And FATHER is indeed a masculine role….unless of course you believe in Obama liberalism.
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A spiritual Ishmaelite 