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Brothers do not leave. This is a tolerant group. Being a Sunni Alawi and an apolitical centre right religio-political philosophy supporter, I think doing these discussions dispassionately will help solve the grievances . This thread was very eye opening and tolerant. God bless Bilal bhai and Saima baji for moderating. We need to make centrist voices like #ImamNasai more visible.

شان صدیق اکبر کی معرفت کے لئے ظرف چاہئے اور ان اسات فقومونی کو عام کرنے کی ضرورت ہے فدک اور ختم نبوت کے ایک تیسرے بیانئے کی ضرورت ہے

مصر کے علماء کا طریقہ کار قرآن اور برہان یعنی دلیل ہے لیکن فرقے صرف اپنے امام کو حرف آخر سمجھتے ہیں جس کی وجہ سے عربستان خون آلود ہوچکا اگر عام مسلمان کو مصری قرآنی طریقہ کار سمجھ آ جائے تو دجال سفیانی سب بے بس ہوجائیں گے سید سلیمان حسینی ندوی بھی دیوبندی مسلکیت کو چھوڑ کر قرآنی منھج اختیار کر چکے ہیں اللہ کرے تقی عثمانی اور طاہر القادری بھی مسلک چھوڑ کر امت کے ترجمان بن جائیں

Compulsory love and obedience (in Islam) are odious concepts.

You sent Today at 22:10

your claustrophobia is not odious but invites pity

André sent Today at 22:11

I don’t have claustrophobia but thanks for the passive aggressive projection.

You sent Today at 22:15

You should thank me for suggesting the psychologica research idea of identity claustrophobia vs globalizationYou sent Today at 22:16odious is not a scientific term

André sent Today at 22:17

I am neither claustrophobic nor a globalist. Stop trying to tar others with your own hang ups. Odious is an adjective!

You sent Today at 22:19

claustrophobia can be a philosophical concept. anti-semitic claustrophobia defines western Jungian psyche.

André sent Today at 22:22

What the hell are you talking about?? That is patently absurd! Anti-semitic claustrophobia? That’s not even English. I taught English at University level.

You sent Today at 22:22

I am describing cultural antinomianism of European history

André sent Today at 22:25

Then you clearly lack a basic grasp of both antinomianism and European history. I think you just enjoy being smugly circumlocutory.

You sent Today at 22:26

Yes I like to explore metaphysical unexplored greyness.You sent Today at 22:27Is liberal democracy a circumlocution? What is illiberal democracy

André sent Today at 22:30

There is some difficulty in justifiably ascribing to me the first of the epithets you employed, inasmuch as the precise corellation between the information you communicated and the facts, insofar as they can be ascertained and demonstrated, is such as to present epistemological problems of sufficient magnitude as to lay upon the logical and semantic resources of the English language, a heavier burden than they can reasonably be expected to bear.

André sent Today at 22:31

Circumlocution is a noun; it is not preceded by the indefinite article.

You sent Today at 22:31

Hence it is proven that English a metaphysically inadequate language

André sent Today at 22:32

I don’t think you could adequately define ‘metaphysical’.

You sent Today at 22:32

I prefer studying semitic grammary to gentile grammarYou sent Today at 22:32*grammar

André sent Today at 22:33

That much is patently obvious!

You sent Today at 22:34

Your English pride means nothing to me, but since I am a Scythian Alawi Ishmaelitic Semite my being exists to define metaphysics.

André sent Today at 22:35

That hubris will be your undoing.

You sent Today at 22:36

I hope we both undo hubris through persistent dialogue

Hanafi-Confucian dialogue, synergy and game theory
When we look back at world wars, we see a chaos of meaning regarding the mystery of race and ethnolinguistic diversity. Pakistan being a synergy of Semitic discipline and Indo-European genetics can play a therapeutic role in Eurasian and post-Eurasian identity formation. China is seen in Arab Semitic worldview as future knowledge economy which can lead to an epistemological paradigm shift. Another role of China in ME eschatology is balance of power in South Asia which is also very obvious in terms of 21st century geostrategy.
If we analyze European history in terms of historical symbolism we see a conflict between ethnotextuality and a universal poetic license. In Eastern history, it evolved as Turkish Hanafism, Greco-Buddhism and theosis Tzarism which have contributed in Chinese identity formation in their own ways. Hanafism though is not unique to Turkish worldview rather it extends to all non-Semitic legal traditions due to its pragmatic rules.
Greco-Buddhism evolved at the tectonic continuum of Eurasia and South Asia and was later co-opted by Platonic Sufism of modern Pakistani identity. Pakistani orthodox identity is perpetuated by minority linguistic traditions which have been affected by modernization and globalization. CPEC can culturally empower those linguistic traditions through education, research and revitalization, which can act as buffer to non-regional influence through participative empowerment. Sufi humanism can also offer a strategic alternative to monopoly of liberal democratic moralizing discrimination.
Dawud Tai who is a disciple of Hanafi legal tradition who turned inwards to deal with neurodiverse energy can be an important symbol of Hanafi-Confucian dialogue. He may be criticized by western worldview as an anti-intellectual figure, but modern Pakistani identity can compensate for that through a psychological rational reconstructive focus.
Confucianism although foreign to Semitic worldview makes sense in esoteric worldview which emphasizes gentile humility and wisdom. Western vegetarianism also provokes debates in Asia but Semitic diet although not universally inclusive, disagrees with absolute vegetarian asceticism. Buddha was a monk, but the models of Gandhi and Jinnah have revived not only Greco-Buddhist ideals, which can resolve identity dilemmas of modern West which can shape the future of global economic duopoly through Greco-Semitic synergy. There are texts within Eastern spiritual worldview which predict a race-chaos of composite races, which can be managed through psychological research on traditional concepts of joy of commandments and unitarian agape. This area of research is not completely grey although underexplored. Scientific community has even explored such synergies on neuroscientific level.

میں مسلک نسائی و مودودی پر قائم ہوں لیکن عمر صاحب میں واقعی سلف کے بہترین اخلاق نظر آتے ہیں علی نبی تو نہیں گوکہ یہ حق ہے لیکن اس کو بیان کرنا بھی وہی بے ادبی ہے جس کے انجنئر صاحب مرتکب ہیں

Weekly super-aesthetic exhibition of personified existential metanature in infinite future

In eternity, God will change the name of Friday to the Day of Progress and will unveil Himself on every day of progress. Hadith apocrypha through Darqutni and Hudhaifa

إِلَيَّ يا عِبادِي الَّذِينَ أَطاعُونِي بِالغَيبِ ولَم يَرَونِي، صَدَّقُوا بِرُسُلِي، واتَّبَعُوا أَمرِي، سَلُونِي فَهَذا يَومُ المَزِيدِ، فَيُجمِعُونَ عَلَى كَلِمَةٍ واحِدَةٍ: يا رَبِّ، وجهُكَ لِيُنظَرَ إِلَيهِ، فَليَكشِفُ تِلكَ الحُجُبَ، فَيَتَجَلَّى لَهُم عَزَّ وجَلَّ فَيَغشاهُم مِن نُورِهِ شَيءٌ، لَولا أَنَّهُ قَضَى أَن يَحتَرِقُوا لِما يَغشاهُم مِن نُورِهِ، ثُمَّ يُقالُ لَهُمُ: ارجِعُوا إِلَى مَنازِلِكُم، فَيَرجِعُوا إِلَى مَنازِلِهِم»

O my servants who obeyed me without a technical vision and corroborated my messengers, and obeyed my commands, ask me because this is the day of progress, so they will agree on a common word, Thy Face so that it is glanced with our vision, so the veils will be removed, and lightening of His Being will take place and the photons will overwhelm them, and they would have been burnt alive if it was not predetermined, then it will be said: Go back to your homes and they will go back to their homes.

عالمی حالات کے تناظر میں عمران صاحب کا بقا ضروری ہے لیکن اس وقت شمالی پاکستان گلیات میں جیپ کے حادثے میں حفاظتی حصار نہ ہونے کی وجہ سے عورتیں اور بچے کتے کی موت مر چکے سراج صاحب نے صحیح فرمایا طرفین حقیقی تبدیلی نہیں چاہتے اللہ پاکستان کو جناح اور اردوغان کی صفات والا شخص عطا کرے چاہے لوگ اس کی قدر کریں یا نہیں

کتے کی موت مبالغہ تھا تفریحی کتوں کے ضمن میں

اللہ ان سرد دنوں کی شہادت کو قبول فرمائے اور پاکستان کو ایک محفوظ فلاحی ریاست بنائے

O Mother nature, they say you are a slut, but I would trust you more than them.

Saqi Jan There was a Muslim philosopher who was executed by state. He skipped praying for just 40 days to focus on his deistic research but he was honest in his intention to resume prayer after his eureka moments while modernists have no intention of a possible humility at least if one looks at Musharraf and Hoodbhoy. I think Americans are more open minded than Pakistani greconazis.