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Ishmael Abraham I just wanted to relate in a positive way to fellow humans. You are allergic to Christian dogma. You never met Muslim humanists throughout your life.

Alex Scalzi well it’s not only christian. i was being a little factitious when i make the ‘makes me literally sick’ joke. what i intend to portray to readers is ANY dogma, religious or otherwise. ideologies all inherently are, NOW the people i have no issue with so long as they let me do me. im cool with ANYONE who never impedes on my three most important things, myself, my family, and my friends. just as long as those conditions are met i dont care what you believe in

Ishmael Abraham Thanks for not being Hitchens who supported Iraq war.

Alex Scalzi lol np, i don’t like war or bloodshed very much as a reality. videos games and movies are one thing but when people are actively killing one another because reasons i wish that i could just move off the planet

This should be shared with Shias because they hate these two personalities.

Umar may God be pleased with him sent the following message to Amr bin Al-As may God be pleased with him. It has reached me that you recline while judging cases of people. Sit in a humble way otherwise I would relieve you from your post. Leave pretentious clothes and wear the clothes of fear and penitence for God, if clothes were a source of honour, God would not tell people to leave their colorful clothes in House of God built by Abraham and Ishmael peace be upon them.

Jerry Sexton He is a good man. Would he be a good man without Islam?

Ishmael Abraham Can be but no reward in Hereafter in that case.

Serpil Mehmet Ishmael you’re wrong brother. If one spends their life doing good deeds, which serves god, they’re rewarded.

Ishmael Abraham Quran 48:13 3:85 7:158

Serpil Mehmet Ishmael Abraham This was revealed about monk friends of Salman Al-Farisi who died before Prophet Muhammad peace and blessings be upon him.

Serpil Mehmet So it only applies to one single person? Really?that wouldn’t make sense? Ishmael Abraham Read my explanation along with the verses I mentioned, it at least makes sense to me. It applies to all unitarian Christians before Prophet Muhammad peace and blessings be upon him in those 600 years.

Ishmael Abraham Otherwise you cannot explain the passion of Companions to save the humanity from Fire. They left their homes and died in far away lands simply to do that.

Serpil Mehmet I’ll read up. I’m not an expert on islam. And to be honest, I find that it’s all down to interpretation. Which is why people are so divided. Because there are so many interpretations of the same things. My point is this- I’d somebody has been raised in an environment where islam is not studied or spoken about,but they grow to be a compassionate person who spends their life serving humanity – does that person bot deserve heaven?

Ishmael Abraham There is a consensus of both Sunni and Shia scholars on this. Only modernists dislike that because they want to be lazy about reaching out to humanity. They will be fully rewarded in this life for that and they are.

The eleven Imams(as) led quietist lives except Imam Ali(as) and Imam Husain(as). However Imam Zayd(as) led a revolution. So, Zaydi Shias had the most martyrs in Muslim history yet they have a moderate theology of love of both Prophetic family and four Righteous Caliphs.

Hussain Murtaza It’s not about moderation, it’s about purity. Zaidis don’t have a proper system of Imamat. Many of their Imams in Yemen have been brute savages.

Ishmael Abraham For example which Imam was a brute savage?

Hussain Murtaza Read the history of Zaidi Imams in Yemen.

Hussain Murtaza Imam Ahmad bin Yahya of the 1950s was a tyrant.

Hussain Murtaza Why are you not condemning the Saudi led war of aggression against Yemeni Zaidis?? Iran is supporting them there

Ishmael Abraham Twelvers are bigger tyrants. Safawis burnt the dead body of Abu Hanifah. Iran is with Yemen not because they love Zaydis but because they oppose Saudia. Otherwise, Majlisi has called Zaydis kuffar.

Hussain Murtaza Do you condemn the Saudi war against Yemeni Zaidis.?

Hussain Murtaza Where did Majlisi declare Takfir upon Zaidis?

Hussain Murtaza Shah Ismail Safavi was a Nuseri, not a twelver.

Ishmael Abrahamأقول كتب أخبارنا مشحونة بالأخبار الدالة على كفر الزيدية ( بحار الأنوار / المجلسي /باب 49 نادر في ذكر مذاهب الذين خالفوا الفرقة المحقة في القول بالأئمة الاثنى عشرية)

Hussain Murtaza You are quoting Majlisi from a third party. Writing about signs of kufr doesn’t mean an emphatic Takfir.

Ishmael Abraham Bihar Al Anwar is not third party and he clearly uses the word kufr.

Ishmael Abraham Not signs of kufr.

Hussain Murtaza Ah so this a direct quotation from Bihar ul Anwar. Let me see.

Hussain Murtazaبالأخبار الدالة

Ishmael Abraham These reports prove.

Hussain Murtaza The quotation looks like a third party quoting from Bihar ul Anwar.

Ishmael Abrahamأقول means I the Majlisi say

Hussain Murtaza In Haqul Yaqin, Majlisi has clearly stated that non Shia claimants of Islam, are legally accepted as Muslims till the reappearance of our Imam. But in principle the act of deliberately rejecting the Wilayah of the Infallible Imams of Ahlul Bayt is akin to kufr, just like tark e Salah is kufr according to the message of Hadith, legally declaring Takfir is different.

Hussain Murtaza However, a Zaidi Imam who claims infallibility, becomes an infidel.

Ishmael Abraham Imam Zayd called to himself too. Quran says those who ulama who do jihad are superior to those who do not.

Hussain Murtaza Shias have always accepted non Shia claimants of Islam legally as Muslims, check the correspondence between Hilli and Ibn Tammiyah.

Hussain Murtaza Still you didn’t condemn the Saudi war against Zaidis.

Ishmael Abraham My sympathies are with orthodox Zaydis not Jarudis.

Hussain Murtaza Jarudis were the earliest Zaidis to carry out an active struggle against Bani Ummayah and Bani Abbas, whom else do you consider Orthodox Zaidis?

Ishmael Abraham Imams(as) called Abu Jarud a blind Shaytan sarhub who lived in the sea.

Hussain Murtaza Which group of Zaidis was actually condoned by Twelver Imams?

Ishmael Abraham All Imams(as) loved revolt of Imam Zayd(as). Jarudis are minority, the majority are still moderate.

Hussain Murtaza If Yemeni Zaidis are a minority, then where are the majority Zaidis of today?

Hussain Murtaza I am not talking about Zaid himself, did the Imams condone Sulaymanniyah?

Ishmael Abraham I think they are more than 10 million.

Hussain Murtaza Where??

Ishmael Abraham Suleymaniyyah call Uthman(r) kafir so they are not Muslims.

Hussain Murtaza The Imams didn’t endorse any Zaidi group.

Ishmael Abraham Imams(as) did not endorse Usulis and Akhbaris too

Ishmael Abraham Instead of teaching non-Jews the laws of Torah, modern Zionists are teaching pagan greek laws to non-Jews.

Alperovich Anatoly Don’t worry. Israeli society is going through orthodoxation, soon the majority will wear hat and beard. When Saudi’s are talking peace with Israel , the messiah is coming. I am glad you comment on my post. Tislam.

Ishmael Abraham The true Messiah is the Son of Mary peace be upon both and he will rule Israel as a Muslim.

Alperovich Anatoly You confuse me with that. I never met a muslim with such a devotion to Jesus. Or even saying “prophetic family” . It sounds like kind of christianized islam. May be you really have some revolutionary message.

Ishmael Abraham You would find no Muslim scholar disagreeing with me on that.

Jeffrey Dean This person did not understand one basic thing, however, that the “Jesus” Christianity teaches is a false God and the “Jesus” of the Bible is a man approved of God, a prophet like unto Moses.

Good day to you Ishmael! I hear you are searching for the truth concerning the Lord Jesus Christ? Are you familiar with the Torah? I am a servant of His Holy Spirit. If you follow Truth, we two will get along splendidly. My task is not to “convert you”, but to put forth the Truth and let the Father guide. We will both want to prove the other wrong, unless we only put forth the Truth of the Father. I will not move forward when I share truth, until we both agree it is so. Fair enough?

Me: I admire that you focus on God the Creator more than Christ the servant as mentioned in Acts. Me: I try to keep commandments of Torah. I know Arabic which is sister language of Hebrew.

Christ came as the Father’s ‘agent’ in our Salvation. Without Christ, there would be no atonement. But also, if there was no Christ, we would see nothing, for He is invisible as His Holy Spirit and a devouring spiritual fire if incarnate. The Father says in Isaiah 43: 10-11, “…that you would come to know and believe in me. I, I am my servant…”

Me: That verse actually says there is no Saviour except the Creator as mentioned in Quran. Isaiah 43:11 You are my witnesses,” says the Lord , “my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may consider and believe in me, and understand that I am he. No god was formed before me, and none will outlive me. I, I am the Lord , and there is no deliverer besides me. I decreed and delivered and proclaimed, and there was no other god among you. You are my witnesses,” says the Lord , “that I am God. From this day forward I am he; no one can deliver from my power; I will act, and who can prevent it?” Isaiah 43:10‭-‬13 NET

Me: Christ is the true King Messiah who will soon establish righteous kingdom in Middle East with the help of Pashtun Israel. Me: One meaning of Christ is that he traveled on earth to preach and Tablighi Jamat travel on earth like Christ to preach. Me: I admire your faith in challenging times of modern culture As in Isaiah, the Father, through His prophet, says He is His servant. If God IS His servant there are several points. 1) The Father is a devouring fire. 2) His Holy Spirit is invisible. Both are God, because He is One. 3) God detests Sin, so unless His servant is Holy and blameless, The Father cannot be One within Him. Sin comes through the head of the family, thus, with no human father to make Mary pregnant, His Holy Spirit initiating the conception of Mary’s egg, God becomes the Father of the sinless child in Mary’s womb. The Father is still One, however, through His Holy Spirit, within the fetus in Mary, which is without Sin, God, the Father, who is One, is united within Jesus Christ.

Me: Jesus peace be upon him talks about being ONE with disciples too, but that does not mean disciples are Gods too. The Lord taught me the true relationship between the Father, the Son and His Holy Spirit.

We call Jesus Word of God and Son of Mary. Cannot be Son of Mary, because without God, the egg would not have fertilized

Me: We believe Holy Spirit is Archangel Gabriel peace be upon him. His Holy Spirit is the Mind of God.

Bible in Numbers says God is not a man, so He does not fertilize. You agree God is Allah. Allah is One, right?

Me: Yes. Jesus called God Allaha too in Aramaic. If God has several parts, He is still One His Holy Spirit is His Living Word, for He is the Living God He is truth

Me: He is Indivisible without parts and partners. He is life Amen

Me: God helps Prophets through Holy Spirit. You chop off a finger, there is you and your finger, apart from you, correct? God chops off a finger, there is still God God is Himself

Me: God is not a man, so we should not use human analogies like in Numbers His Holy Spirit is Himself. He is One God said He is one. Not man.

Me: He is uniquely one. Me: We can work together on moral issues like abortion and gay marriage, so theology of Quran will make itself obvious through our spirituality. If God is One, if He pours out His Holy Spirit, how can His Holy Spirit be Gabriel filling up many people? Gabriel would have to be in many people at once… only God can do this. Scripture says; (3:1) After all of this I will pour out my Spirit on all kinds of people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy. Your elderly will have revelatory dreams; your young men will see prophetic visions. Even on male and female servants I will pour out my Spirit in those days. Joel 2:28‭-‬29 NET

Me: There is a Chapter of Mary in Quran and who recites it will be in the company of Christ in heaven. Me: I think Joel is talking about Prophets of Israel and Ishmaelites not ordinary believers like us. Jesus Christ is the Father, unseen, through His Holy Spirit, One, within His servant. We see a man, but we do not see the invisible Father. But when we see that a mere man cannot do miracles unless the Father is within…

Me: Those miracles are through permission of God not incarnation because other Prophets did miracles too.

Prophets do not do miracles unless His Holy Spirit is One within

Me: So, are those Prophets Gods too?

Prophets are God’s mouth to mankind. Yes. But if they do not glorify the Father, they are not His

Me: That’s what Muslims want, glorifying Creator the most. A mere man cannot know the will of God, unless God, who is One, has placed His Holy Spirit , within that man The Father says, by glorifying Him, within His Son, we are His true Children

Me: We call it Light of God through which He illuminates the hearts of believers. Amen. But the Father has Authorized the Son to have all authority in Heaven and on earth. They are One, through Jesus Christ’ The Father glorifies Himself through His prophets, yes? Jesus is the first union of God with a Man. All who see the Truth of the Father within the Son, are His true Children The Father is still One, but He is within and through Him And when we recognize His Truth in word andcaction, in Jesus, He also in swells us with His same Holy Spirit We will ALL , one day, be His prophet sons and daughters

Me: Christ will be granted temporal authority and he will kill the secular Jewish Antichrist. His Holy Spirit working THROUGH us, as His prophetic instruments Amen He already has that Authority He will return it once all his enemies are crushed, at the end of the age Christ is in Union with the Father, because the Father begat Jesus Christ from man, through Mary, to fulfill prophecy The Jews will, in their pride, embrace the antichrist as their Messiah. GOD, Through His Son, will destroy the antichrist. A remnant of Jews are set aside by the Father, however, all who do not recognize the Father within the Son, by His miracles and His Word, will perish, with the world Bless you in your search for Truth, my dear friend.

Me: The remnants are Pashtun Israel. Thanks for your time brother

The remnants, as One, will all collectively, recognize the Truth of Himself, in word and deed, within Jesus Christ. Then all who similarly surrendered to the Truth in Jesus Christ will be One, the Father, One in ALL. ALL not One within Him…

Me: The Arabic word for Truth is Haq. I love that you use it. The Father is One Truth and all surrendered to His Living Word, One within Jesus Christ only speak Truth, for we are united as One, through Him. I can only speak Truth, for I am Wholly His servant. His Holy Spirit has named me, “Joshua”.

Me: Quran Chapter 18 talks about Joshua too.

Bless you, bro. Keep searching. Pure Wisdom is pure truth which is God the Father. He is Life and Light. Thus Truth is Life, Light and Wisdom.

Me: Stay in touch. We can change the world together. Only the Father, through His surrendered sons, can change the world. Man just destroys it… Sons and Daughters

Me:I surrender myself to Him. If you have two perfectly pure glasses of refined water And you pour them into the same container, They are still two glasses of water, in one container But, they are One, because both are pure So too the Father and the Son, as Jesus Christ Both, without Sin. Wholly one, no sin (impurity )to divide The Son acts, but only as the Father within, directs Fully God, yet fully man, both pure Jesus does the Father’s will But, they are One, because They have no sin We regular men, born of sin, cannot be like Christ

Me: One can be sinless but when we eat and drink we become impure so Christ also ate and drank so still no one can acquire divine purity.

Bernard Lonergan a Catholic theologian says Trinity is without understanding but he also says God is utterly simple.

Kirby Hopper Well that makes a whole lot of sense now doesn’t it?

Leon Taylor-Hargreaves Shalom Aleichem! Let trinitarians believe in their trinity concept. God allots to the goyim their idols and false concepts of G-d but Israel is G-ds portion(Devraim32:8). The trinity dogma is the result of centuries of philosophical speculation on the nature of G-d and Messiah. The so called ”church fathers” and theologians interpreted scripture from the perspective of Plato, Socrates, Heraclitus, Aristotle etc. They did not recognise or understand the Hebraic mindset which is the foundation of the Tanakh, Besorah(Gospels) and the Netzarim Ketuvim(apostolic writings). It was inevitable that they reached the conclusion of a tri-personal god dogma. Constantine needed a standard doctrine of God in order to unite the divergent factions in Christendom. Trinitarianism eventually won, sending the other major competitor(Arianism) for the hearts and minds of the faithful into obscurity. Once begun, the church could never reverse the downward trajectory it was on. Under the Gentiles, nascent Christianity moved from absolute monotheism, a fully human ”Jesus”, notional pre-existence etc, towards a compromised monotheism. When all theological debates end, all threats and intimidation fails, trinitarian apologists resort to their walled city. And that walled city is that the trinity is an incomprehensible mystery. Hebraics aren’t concerned about scoring points and winning debates. We concern ourselves with living, faith, good deeds, teshuvah, following and practicing the teachings of Rav Yeshua ben Yosef. It is about treating others fairly, justice, right doing, loving even our enemies, forgiving, building a society that shares and cares. Our energies and talents are more useful in those areas than trying to prove that we are superior in knowledge to others. Deeds are more important than creeds.

Ishmael Abraham We call him Yeshua bin Maryam

Leon Taylor-Hargreaves To those of us of Ebionite/Nazarene persuasion, Yeshua is the son of both Yosef and Miriyam, his biological parents. He grew up in a normal Jewish family, had siblings, learnt Torah, attended synagogue, kept the festivals, was bar mitzvah’d, cried, laughed, played and lived like any normal child would. He was declared the son of G-d(a Messianic title) at his baptism. The Tanakh gives us 3 classes of messiahs(anointed ones), prophets, priests and kings. Yeshua was begotten from the dead to become the first born of a new creation that would inherit the Kingdom(Malkuth ha Elohim). Eternal life is entered only through resurrection from the dead. That is the pillar and foundation of our faith. A man was anointed by YHVH(Baruch haShem Adonai), a man was executed for proclaiming righteousness and the Kingdom of G-d, a man was raised up from the dead, a man ascended to the right hand of G-d, a man recieved power and authority from the Royal Majesty on High, a man was glorified above the angels and heavenly beings, a man will return again. Peace be upon him, Yeshua our Messiah.

Ishmael Abraham By the way, Bible never says he laughed. :)However, Hadith texts teach that the Ishmaelite Prophet peace and blessings be upon him laughed. We find that inaccurate because we consider smiling a sunnah of all Prophets.

Leon Taylor-Hargreaves Don’t concern yourself about such issues, Ishmael Abraham. The haba ha olam(the coming world/age) under Messiah will be a time of great learning and reconciliation. G-d will reclaim all the nations(including both of pours) to himself. Brother will not lift sword against brother, men will melt their weapons of bloodshed, violence and war into instruments of farming. We will all learn and live, side by side under the rule of G-d through Messiah. We are practicing now for that day. We are expending our lives so that in that Day we will be countered worthy of entrance in that land, the beautiful city of G-d. Hostility between Israelite and Ishmaelite will cease, the colour of a man’s skin will no longer be the measuring line of whether he is in or out. We have to bear testimony in this present evil age of the one to come. We testify against this age through brotherly love, forgiving one another, seeking peace and justice, removing injustice and unrighteousness far from our hearts, compassionate, understanding and loving by deeds of kindness and mercy. Yes, Ishmael, loving even those who disagree with us, who practice contrary to us, loving through kind deeds those who abuse and mistreat us for the witness we bear. We have the courage to live in the manner the Teacher of Righteousness taught us. Therefore we do not fear, for the witness within is greater than the turmoil without.

Chris Westerman When Messiah returns God will re-establish Paradise and there will be no more sin, tears, sorrow, pain or hurt. All those who have rejected the one true God and his son will be destroyed. Only those who love God will live eternally.

Leon Taylor-Hargreaves Ishmael Abraham, there is a portion of the Torah where the brothers, Ishmael and Isaac reconciled. In Bereshith 25:7-8 it is recorded thus; Then Avraham breathed his last and died in a good old age, an old man of full age(175) and was gathered unto his people. And his sons Isaac and Ishmael buried him in the cave of Machpelah, which is before Mamre, in the field of Ephron, son of Zohar the Hittite. In the Kingdom of G-d all tongues, tribes and nations will be reconciled in Messiah and blessed in our father, Avraham(Peace Be Upon Him).

Leon Taylor-Hargreaves Our little flock in South Africa is not permitted to denigrate or insult the prophet of Islam. He brought monotheism and a measure of Torah to the pagans of Arabia and beyond. While we may disagree on many things, we do agree on the absolute oneness of G-d, Amein.

A PERSONAL NOTE …

In the past I heard at a couple of times heavy criticism against the ‘rabbis’ that ‘put fences around the torah’. The words of criticism often appeared to be an accusation against judaism in general (as a faith system) and served as a justification for the person’s own ideas and insights. All these persons came from a non jewish background and were steeped in a non torah way of thinking. But they thought they were right because of their former (non jewish) religious education and they did not even realize the seriousness and impact of their harsh words. Nor were they aware of the influence of their words in the lives of their students. In my years of study I have discovered time and again that the Sages and the Rabbis are not cheap in what they say and most of the time in what they say there is a biblical link – and therefore a reason – (though not always directly or immediately perceived by a person that comes from a non jewish background and that does not know torah very well). Personally I have learned to be extremely careful with my attitude and certainly with what I say or comment when I read or study a jewish text. Furthermore Romans 9:4-5 – for instance – teaches us some very fundamental things about jewish authority as the standard for our way of serving G-d. If we do not understand some saying or do not perceive the reason why a position is held, it is better to stay silent until we really know. To acknowledge for instance that what one reads does not correspond to his actual understanding but that he does not know the reason why this position is held. A same attitude of humility and sincerity would also be proper while reading and studying non jewish authors. At least it would show the respect we owe to the author that worked on the article, while through listening well we would help ourselves.

In parashat Terumah we read the first instructions about the building of the mishkan or Sanctuary. There is for instance the prohibition of removing the poles of the Ark, a negative command. But what would be the reason for this prohibition ?

The Rambam (Maimonides) (Hilkhot Klei Ha-Mikdash 2:12-13) connects the prohibiton to remove the poles from the rings to the positive commandment to carry the Ark upon the shoulders and not on a wagon or an animal (Bamidbar 7:9). The gemara (Sota 35a) explains that King David forgot the law of carrying upon the shoulders, and when he put the Ark on a wagon to bring it to Yerushalaim, the priest Uzza (who reached out to steady it) was struck down by G-d. This is explicit in the account in Divrei Ha-Yal (15:13-15), where David tells the Leviim, “Because you did not do this at first, HaShem our G-d made a breach upon us, because we did not seek Him according to the law.” Thereafter we read, “and the children of the Levites carried the Ark of G-d upon their shoulders, with the poles upon them, as Moshe had commanded according to the word of G-d.”

In studying this parasha I discovered (in the article written by Rav Elchanan Samet on vbm haretzion) that it would seem that the prohibition of removing the poles is meant to prevent the possibility of forgetting the obligation that the Ark be carried upon the shoulders. The continuous presence of the poles serves as a reminder that the Ark is to be carried only by means of the poles.

This is not the only instance in which a biblical prohibition serves as a “fence” around another biblical commandment (which instructs the Sages to continue to build fences around the Torah). For example, the prohibition of making a “sculpture or representation” is a fence around the prohibition of idolatry ; the prohibition for the Nazir to eat grapes is a fence around the prohibition of his drinking wine.

In my personal experience the way of building fences around the Torah shows practical wisdom and an insight in human nature. Judaism recognizes the relativity of rabbinical prohibitions : though it is a sin to break a biblical commandment, it is not a sin to breach a rabbinical prohibiton, but at the same time judaism admonishes us that by doing this we put ourselves in danger of breaking the biblical commandment itself, because we didn’t even respect the rabbinical fence. Once we appreciate the reason and the wisdom in all this, we will be able to act with respect and wisdom in even these aspects that for now still seem so difficult for us personally to follow. Again, it helps to study and to study .. with an open mind.

Ishmael Abraham There is a parallel in Islamic law. There are things which are forbidden(haram) while others are disliked(makruh). But makruh also comes from Hadith Scriptures. Quran also talks about relieving Jews of their burdens, but of course that does not mean the license of antinomianism.

Abdur Rahman bin Hassan Al-Anzi who was buried alive by Ameer Mu’awiyah said: It was Uthman may Allah be pleased with him who opened the door of injustice. So, the original Shia believed that the Two Elders were just caliphs. The rope broke but reconnected for Uthman according to Hadith of Ibn Abbas.