When ethical patience and tolerance will be considered a weakness

When ethical patience and tolerance called hilm will be considered a weakness.

 

The disciple asked: When will Antichrist emerge? The Ishmaelite leader of saints replied which includes: When prayer will die and when ethical patience will be considered a weakness.

الامام علي(ع
سلوني أيها الناس !.. قبل أن تفقدوني – ثلاثا – فقام إليه صعصعة بن صوحان ، فقال : يا أمير المؤمنين !.. متى يخرج الدجّال ؟..
فقال له علي (ع) : اقعد !.. فقد سمع الله كلامك وعلم ما أردت ، والله ما المسؤول عنه بأعلم من السائل ، ولكن لذلك علاماتٍ وهيئاتٍ يتبع بعضها بعضاً ، كحذو النّعل بالنّعل ، وإن شئت أنبأتك بها ؟..
قال : نعم ، يا أمير المؤمنين !..
فقال (ع) : احفظ !.. فإنّ علامة ذلك إذا أمات الناس الصلا
ة ، وأضاعوا الأمانة ، واستحلّوا الكذب ، وأكلوا الرّبا ، وأخذوا الرّشا ، وشيّدوا البنيان ، وباعوا الدين بالدنيا ، واستعملوا السفهاء ، وشاوروا النساء ، وقطعوا الأرحام ، واتّبعوا الأهواء ، واستخفّوا بالدماء .
وكان الحلم ضعفاً ، والظلم فخراً ، وكانت الأمراء فجرةً ، والوزراء ظلمةً ، والعرفاء خونةً ، والقرّاء فسقةً ، وظهرت شهادات الزور ، واستعلن الفجور…

Friendship with non-Muslims and the forbidden wilayah

Forbidding Wilayah is not forbidding simple neighbourly friendship. It is about being a religious mentor or political ally. Muslims should not take western guidance in spirituality nor should they join murderous alliances like NATO. Quran 60:8 teaches being kind and just towards non-violent non-Muslims.

Morocco and Iran play football

Moroccans have a moderate Zaydi history compared to Twelver extremism in Iran. Moroccans have a history of Prophetic descendants through Imam Hasan(p) and Iranians have a history of Prophetic descendants through Imam Husain(p).

Hussain Murtaza Morocco king is corrupt, evil and pro Zionist.
Ishmael Abraham Did he play role in bloodshed of either Syria or Yemen?
Hussain Murtaza Ishmael Abraham He can’t, he’s too lazy and far away from the action. Ordinary Moroccans are aggressively secular, still unpleasantly Takfiri. I have observed them. Many say Moroccan beaches have more vulgarity than European beaches. The king often openly makes offensive negative remarks regarding Established Islamic beliefs and practices.
Bin Abid Atharii Morrocons were Never a zaydi Majority rather ,their were very few rulers of early idrisi empire who espoused zaydi beliefs ,rest rulers were Malikis and Morocco always had a Strong Abadiya community with a Slight Sunni Majority just like in Neighboring Algeria and Libya.
Ishmael Abraham Imam Malik was a Zaydi in the sense that he allowed the khuruj of Nafs Az Zakiyyah.
Bin Abid Atharii In that sense all Muslims are Jews since we believe Sahifa of Ibrahim and Musa .
Bin Abid Atharii Zaydi Fiqh is different from Malikis and zaydi Mutazilla aqeda is also extremely opposed to Maliki
Ishmael Abraham Zaydi Fiqh is close to Hanafi Fiqh in usul.
Bin Abid Atharii Khariji ibadi fiqqa is also close to hanafites.

Protestant reformation, Muslim revivers and divisive traditionalists

To an apostate calling for ‘reform’ of Islam: Protestant reformation was actually a deformation because it led to both secularization and still clinging to Catholic trinitarian heresy so western idea of reform is to become a hypocrite. Islam has revivers in every century. For example, Afghani, Nadwi, Shariati, Azad and Iqbal who taught ummah to be honest in the face of hypocritical modernity as well as divisive traditionalism.

Hussain Murtaza Azad and Shariati were more of corrupters than revivers, if at all they were revivers – a claim which I am.highly skeptical about.
Ishmael Abraham Better than divisive sects leading to bloodshed of Syria and Yemen.
Hussain Murtaza Ishmael Abraham Do you honestly believe that Abul Kalam Azad’s pro Congress liberalism was a viable solution to the sectarian problem. Such artificial solution never work. I would rather have a more authentic mainstream reformer like Shah Waliullah.
Hussain Murtaza Ishmael Abraham And Ali Shariati was practically a communist, feigning Islamism to intrude into the mainstream of Islamic discourse.
Ishmael Abraham Shah Waliullah’s son rejected Twelvers rather than embracing the Prophetic family.
Martson Amjorn Both practices should be audited to make it fair. Some religious practictices are completely too radical for me to tolerate. Particularly things that limit free will. 
Ishmael Abraham Mutazilah rationalists preferred freewill over determinism. Modern self-deification is too radical for the pious. To make both fair, we should criticize both fatalism and modern grandiose delusions.

The dialogue with Muslim world , the sane majority , has crucial importance.
It is not a fancy dream of peace of previous generations, but vital necessity of them today

Ishmael Abraham We should reject the divisive traditionalism of previous generations and grandiose delusions of future generations for future of dialogue about God’s rights and human rights.

Problem of evil and Hadith: Tossing and turning in bed of a patient is jihad

عن الحارث عن علي عن النبي ﷺ أنين المريض تسبيحه وصياحه تهليله ونومه عبادة ونفسه صدقة وتقلبه قتال لعدو

The Prophet peace and blessings be upon him said: The pain and cries of a patient count as glorification and sanctification of God, his sleep is an act of worship, his breathing is an act of charity and his tossing and turning in bed is like fighting in the battlefield.

 

Islam and feminism: Message to a modernist Shia sister Nicole Correri

Ishmael Abraham For example, one aspect is that Khadijah, may God be pleased with her, died before the detailed injunctions of veiling and staying at home were revealed in Medina which was a legal and political phase of the missionary career. So, some might refer to the principle of abrogation. The best feminist example can be Aisha, may God be pleased with her, who was a scholar, but in Shia Islam, the monasticism of Fatimah, may God be pleased with her, is revered more. What should be done is to change the perception of western feminism in the minds of orthodox Muslims, both Sunni and Shia, that it is only about sexual revolution and hatred of men and God. Modern educated pious sisters can do that by educating brothers through sacred vocabulary. And, real life injustices against women should be addressed with empathy for the fact that according to Quran ‘humans are created weak’ so both men and women can behave in narcissistic ways. Dr Farhat Hashmi of Pakistan and Dr Munira Al-Qubaysi of Syria are female Sunni scholars who have emancipated and educated women by mastering tradition. Tayyaba Khanum Bukhari is a female Shia preacher in Pakistan. But none of these women have addressed western feminism which can preserve the traditional culture but not promote it beyond it’s historical geography. I am willing to work with any modern educated sister to humanize the treatment of Muslim women globally and to promote the message of Islam among modern feminists. Sister Nicole talked about gender roles but I think according to modern theories of attachment parenting, the role of housewife is best for spiritual growth and better spiritual upbringing of children. But still working women are a reality in even the orthodox community so I am open-minded to develop an intellectual framework to co-opt them spiritually. The sad state of Dr Afia is one example, how an orthodox Muslim woman failed to reconcile the two worldviews, so again, I am happy that at least someone is discussing this.

How both Saudi Arabia and Iran are evil/taghut according to a Prophetic descendant?

Imam Jafar As-Sadiq peace be upon him said which means every flag-owner before the rise of Al-Qaim is Taghut(evil). So, both Saudi Arabia and Iran are Taghut.

 

محمد بن يعقوب: عن محمد بن يحيى، عن أحمد بن محمد، عن الحسين بن سعيد، عن حماد بن عيسى، عن الحسين بن المختار، عن أبي بصير، عن أبي عبد الله (عليه السلام)، قال: ” كل راية ترفع قبل قيام القائم فصاحبها طاغوت، يعبد من دون الله عز و جل “.

Conversation with a Shia pharisee about ethical humour and making fun of orthodox Muslims

Hussain Murtaza I am really surprised to see someone like you share this. Did you see the entire clip? The video has been made by enemies of and it’s actually mocking established Islamic practices like Salah, prohibition of intermingling of sex etc, it mentions the name of Prophet Esa peace be upon him very inappropriately. People’s hatred of Zakir Naik is just a bait. It’s not about Zakir Naik. It’s a subtle thinly veiled poisonous injection.
Ishmael Abraham His one of other videos are more blasphemous. I think we should allow secularists to make fun of us rather than Islam.
Hussain Murtaza Ishmael Abraham Do you think they are making fun of “us” and not Islam, in this video? Did you see the whole video. Didn’t you see how he makes fun of Salah and inappropriately mentions Prophet Esa peace be upon him.  Is this us or Islam that he’s mocking.
Ishmael Abraham But these people were never raised with fiqh to understand the legal subtleties of commandments. I try to educate them.
Hussain Murtaza Ishmael Abraham Educate them yes. But I don’t see anything positive or constructive about sharing this video on your wall.
Ishmael Abraham Secularists think we do not have a sense of humour. I tell them we believe in ethical humour. But quality reduces quantity. I like Iranian movies.
Hussain Murtaza Ishmael Abraham This is neither ethical nor religiously acceptable in my view. I make jokes all the time, and they make people laugh, but it’s never about religion.
Ishmael Abraham I agree that it does not meet spiritual standards, but Quran also tells us to find common grounds (kalimatun sawaun). I may fail but I am trying to achieve that. Your feedback helps to improve trying.
Hussain Murtaza I hate dislike yazid lover Zakir Naik as much as anyone, but this video is not about him.
Frank G Hahn yoga is so good for the body mind and spirit, and we even bowed 300 times Islam style
Hussain Murtaza More than 30 years of my life and I didn’t know till today that I am a “Shia Pharisee”. 🙂 

Ishmael Abraham They do not like pharisees but it is a positive word used for fuqaha or negative word used for being over-strict.

Hussain Murtaza Ishmael Abraham Yes I know. I am assuming you consider me to be over-strict. I am not Faqih by a long shot.

Ishmael Abraham But you love ehtiyat like Fuqaha 🙂

Peter Bell Originally Persian Pharisees were given that name from the root word for separation from the world to a life of holiness before the Almighty. Pharisees have degenerated into narrow-minded legalists marked by a cold heart and a judgmental spirit, but from the beginning it was not so.
Hussain Murtaza Peter Bell I am certainly not cold hearted. The other traits mentioned by you are subject to subjective interpretation 🙂 
Peter Bell Hussain Murtaza I am not charging you with anything, my friend! Just providing a historical footnote, because the prophet Jesus butted heads with Pharisees on a daily basis, and the reason seems to be that they had lost their original vision and purpose and descended into religious control and manipulation, which we know that God hates. If you are identifying as a Shia Pharisee — which even mystifies our old nemesis Thomas Morgan, then that may be a very good thing, my friend!



Hussain Murtaza Peter Bell I was talking in a lighter mode. I know you didn’t mean anything negative.

Peter Bell I do appreciate your warm sense of humor! If it helps any, I am a recovering Pharisee too, though I don’t know much about the Shia part. But trying to work hard enough to earn the favor of God is a curse and a plague that many of us in the Abrahamic traditions find ourselves weighed down with. Here is a hint: it never will work, so we just need to cast ourselves on His sovereign mercy. All peace and blessing to you!
Ishmael Abraham I think Eastern traditional culture suffers from phariseeism, but modern western culture suffers from antinomianism more. Modern West needs God-fearing pharisees.
Peter Bell Ishmael Abraham Well, yes, we do suffer greatly from antinomianism. Agreed. But after much research I have not found phariseeism to be the answer. What’s wrong with antinomianism is not specifically its freedom from the law, but its lack of the sustaining power of grace (a thousand times more motivating and effective than fear of the law) to replace the letter of the law. The answer to antinomianism is grace, which empowers us to fulfill the law without legalism. The answer to phariseeism is grace, which empowers us to fulfill the law without legalism. Blessings and peace to you!
Ishmael Abraham Along with grace, a knowledge of commandments is also necessary which is also a part of grace.

To an ex Ismaili who is impressed by western enlightenment

Which enlightenment values? Sexual revolution and greedy industrial revolution.
Abdullah Sameer Values of freedom of conscience, values of respect and tolerance for all regardless of gender, race, religion or sexuality.
Ishmael Abraham Provided that secularists are in power, but if the pious are in power, then no respect for them, right? And, why should I respect an animal act called sex?
If you are from Pakistan, founder of Pakistan, Jinnah was also Ismaili but he realised that Ismaili antinomianism leads to secularization so he switched to pronomian Ithna Ashari just like you initially switched to pronomian Sunni. You never experienced traditional enlightenment in the sense of Averroes or Ghazali so you felt inferiority complex vis-a-vis western machiavellian enlightenment which is only focused on improving efficiency rather than ethical progress . I feel more at home with ethical and spiritual enlightenment.
Pakistan was secularized by sword of British colonialism so this person is a victim of internalized cultural colonialism like you.

Progress through disobedience and anarchism

Ishmael Abraham What if there is actually a just leader?
Nick Elam Then I support them

Ishmael Abraham In our history, there was a just leader the Caliph Uthman but people thought he had some flaws like being lenient to his family members so they executed him, but he refused either to resign or kill the protestors. In the same way there was a tamarod movement in Egypt to remove democratically elected Morsi which led to Rabaa massacre finally. So, a weak leader is still better than anarchism. But secularists in Middle East are anarchists.