How secularism marginalizes and radicalizes the faithful

About a Christian extremist: If secularism did not marginalize people like him and educated about faith intelligently and respectfully we would not have marginalized extremists like him.

Nick Elam How does secularism marginalize people?
Ishmael Abraham By denying discussion and expression of religion in schools, politics and public sphere.

Nick Elam Most secularists I know actually advocate for the teaching of religions, our problem is with forcing children to believe something before they’re old enough to make that decision themselves. As far as politics goes, you can express yourself all you want. We only have a problem if someone tries to use their religion to take away the rights of others.
Ishmael Abraham Most famous atheists stigmatize religion so that people feel ashamed, terrified and diffident of identifying with religion. It is a form of IQ shaming. People do not choose to be intelligent, and even people with average IQ have a right to a spiritual identity without intellectual shaming. I think children in West did not choose to be born in an atmosphere of sexual revolution. There is no way to save children under 18 who are brainwashed by porn. They cannot choose to have a traditional sexuality. Even if I were raised in US I would not be able to avoid pre-marital sex, but thanks God my father returned from US.

Divisive rabbis and Imams and hilm the Abrahamic tolerance

Ishmael Abraham Imam Ali peace be upon him said: I would refuse the kingdom of entire universe if it involved taking a grain from an ant’s mouth unjustly.

Alperovich Anatoly Exactly . Islam demands heart kindness towards god’s creatures. What we see is donkey torture . Someone have to tell Hamas about that kindness.

Ishmael Abraham Both IDF and Hamas should try to have more hilm(tolerance) like their father Abraham peace be upon him otherwise atheism will prevail. Torah talks about righteous goyim like Job peace be upon him.

Alperovich Anatoly Ishmael Abraham job is pre abrahamic . I thought nk
Ishmael Abraham But IDF will have a secular leader who will seduce weak Jews into following him called Armilus.
Ishmael Abraham He is post Abrahamic.
Alperovich Anatoly IDF is a system , bent under political rule
Ishmael Abraham Can Knesset choose a righteous descendant of Job peace be upon him?
Alperovich Anatoly Ishmael Abraham there are goym in knesset 
Alperovich Anatoly Judaism depends on context. If you accept 613 orders and prohibitions , you are one . As Ruth ( 613) רות. Mother of king David
Ishmael Abraham I think I follow more than 613 
Ishmael Abraham West does not care about commandments due to antinomianism of Paul.

Alperovich Anatoly Ishmael Abraham paying the church is enough by that approach.

Ishmael Abraham Have you started reciting Shema every night. Imam Ali(p) did not miss recitation even during the night of civil war.
Alperovich Anatoly No. Shame on me. Much stress and traveling for business . Inshaalah i finish that project of synagogue, and abrahamic tradition culinary and cultural center I push for two years, also to teach natives seven laws of Bnei Noah…
Alperovich Anatoly Some people wanting to convert , but rabbi here tells them, look, if you cant pursuit the principles of seven laws of Bnei Noah, it is senseless and useless

Ishmael Abraham Real love for God is proven during stress. My prayers weakened during heartbreak after a modernist Abrahamite woman rejected my proposal.

Alperovich Anatoly Ishmael Abraham thats how my voyage started. I analyzed and understood thats because we live in Roman world, a woman isnt able to be a woman.
Ishmael Abraham Rabbis can be divisive. They expelled Spinoza. Was Spinoza pious?
Ishmael Abraham I want to be like Maccabees in this world of greco-roman paganism.
Alperovich Anatoly Expelled from where? Judaism is like jurisprudence. Rabbis are doctors and layers ( daianim)

 

Ishmael Abraham From synagogue.
Alperovich Anatoly From Din Dayan dan .
Alperovich Anatoly Ishmael Abraham synagogue as a building , or like they expelled him from judaism? 
Ishmael Abraham I am not sure about latter.
Alperovich Anatoly I never knew that . Jew born jew dies jew and judged as jew in the gate of the next world .
Alperovich Anatoly It is impossible. Synagogue is not an institution. Hassidism is .
Ishmael Abraham Do you know a famous rabbi who is ecumenical(uniting different sects) but conservative.
Alperovich Anatoly I can pray in any synagogue . Any . We dont have that division. The division is by “pshat “or by talmud . And Sefaradi by pshat , ashkenazi by talmud . I mean everything life . But anything must be proven. Like the legal practice
Ishmael Abraham Division can be between all children of Abraham(p). I like apolitical, ecumenical and conservative rabbis.

Conversation with a modernist ex-Ismaili about the accuracy of Quranic Christology

 

{Here are six points demonstrating that Muhammad copied Jesus from Christianity with little understanding.}
It shows your own lack of understanding. Ebionites were 1st century Christians who had an accurate understanding of Jesus peace be upon him and Quran reiterated that accurate theology which brilliant minds like Isaac Newton re-discovered too later than Quran.
{Adding to this hypothesis is that there were fewer Christians living in Arabia, many of them being heterodox sects with non-mainstream belief. }
The term heterodox only reflects the dictators of Council of Nicea who colluded with Romans to enforce an inaccurate theology otherwise, the Quranic theology of Ebionites and Arians was mainstream in first century.
{There is no evidence of any Injeel (الإنجيل) / Gospel of Jesus (إنجيل يسوع) sent to Jesus.} Just like there are six books of Hadith, this does not imply that there is no original Hadith. Likewise existence of so many Gospels does not mean there was no original Gospel. The later version are subsets while the original source is a superset. It is the job of the researcher to find out what is authentic Gospel and what is apocryphal.
{The Virgin Birth}
Quran venerates Mary peace be upon her because she is an object of two extremes between Christian sects. The Protestants underestimate her while Catholics over-glorify her to theotokos. Quran also addresses over-glorification along with veneration by naming a Chapter after her. But since you are enchanted by modern intellect and are xenophobic towards the tradition of Ishmaelites, you treated Quran in a superficial and derisive manner due to a liberal Ismaili upbringing.
{The Syriac Infancy Gospel is one such document, considered a fabricated document invented to prove Jesus’ divinity. This exact story ends up in the Quran. }
When even the best theologians of Christianity do not agree with one another, it requires supernatural intelligence to filter out information accurately while copying from so many sources. Quran mentions the miracle of speaking in cradle but excludes divinity. How could one filter out the first century theology from all that.
{The stories about Jesus make more sense in Christianity than Islam. Well in Christianity we have a convincing answer. He was the son of God. }
How is it convincing when even people without virgin birth are called sons of God. And, anthropomorphism does not make logical and philosophical sense.
{In Islam he’s just “anointed”. Makes little sense does it? } You are not an expert of Arabic linguistics so it does not make sense to you. Anointed is not the only meaning of Messiah. Muslims perform ablution and during that they wipe their heads called masah. And, Jesus peace be upon him wiped the patients and they were cured. Quran 9:2 also uses the same root word for travelling. Since, he travalled in the Middle East for preaching he is called Messiah.
{ Islam again doesn’t explain why Jesus is Kalimatullah.} Because the books that explain it are in Arabic and you are not an expert of Arabic linguistics. Quran says that when God intends to create something ex nihilo he says: ‘Be’ and it is. The word ‘Be’ or Kun is the Logos of John but the Logos of Quran is more accurate because it is not co-equal with God although co-eternal in Sunni theology but non co-eternal in Shia theology of your father.

medium.com { Six “proofs” that Muhammad copied Jesus from Christianity }

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Yom Kippur, Night of middle of Shaban and Sola Scriptura propaganda

I missed the voluntary commandment of pre-dawn meal for today’s fast but I still fasted to refute Sola Scriptura Salafi propaganda against voluntary fast on 15th of Shaban a month of lunar calendar like that of Jews. Unlike Yom Kippur, in Islam nibbling is not allowed but fast does not start from previous night but after pre-dawn. Even antinomian Paul fasted on conversion. Like Yom Kippur, the fate is sealed in this night. John the Baptist fasted more than the Messiah peace be upon him, so the former was a Sufi saint and latter was a Scriptural saint. As Jesus peace be upon him taught we should wash our faces to appear fresh during fasting which Muslims do during ablution called wudu. One can work too unlike Yom Kippur which fulfills the intent of Messiah peace be upon him.

https://islamqa.info/en/20135

Hussain Murtaza What is nibbling in the Jewish fast?
Ishmael Abraham Eating in small amounts due to health issues.
Hussain Murtaza Yes, but I was asking about the limits??

Ishmael Abraham They have their own fiqh about that. About liquid a modern rabbi said less than 80cc.

An Urdu couplet with Murjiah tendencies

سر محشر خدا پوچھے گا پاکبازوں سے…..
تم نے گناہ کیوں نا کیے، کیا میں رحیم نا تھا

On the day of judgement, God will ask the pure.

Why didn’t you sin, wasn’t I forgiving?

Ishmael Abraham This sect was called Murjiah in past.
Ishmael Abraham Murijah comes from raja or hope which is actually a false hope.

Talmud and Deer Musk

Sufis say that like musk deer, give perfume even to those who harm you.

Deer musk was unknown in the Western world in classical antiquity and reference to it does not appear until the 5th century AD when it is mentioned in the Talmud (Brachot 43.) as an animal-based fragrance.

Obtaining one kilogram (2.2 lb) of musk grains requires between thirty and fifty deer, making musk tinctures highly expensive.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deer_musk

The tragedies of Job and Zainab, peace be upon both: Two Abrahamic role models of patience

Shalom on truth seekers. I am an orthodox Muslim and like Job peace be upon him, I descend from Esau peace be upon him. I believe the children of Jacob peace be upon him, like Afghan Pashtuns, will be reconciled with children of Ishmael and Esau peace be upon both. I liked this article and in the traditional world both Job peace be upon him and the Ishmaelite saints in the tragedy of karbala; the desert of pain and test, are considered two most pertinent spiritual role models of patience.

After the tragedy of the Ishmaelites in the desert, the surviving Prophetic grand daughter exclaimed that I only see divine beauty in suffering. Such faith is similar to Job peace be upon him

 

The Book of Job