Alishba Arif I didn’t say that but since you brought it up, modern war is impossible without science. But I mean when you lose interest in life you lose interest in science, beauty and humour which are precisely the things traditionalists lack, so we may have an undiagnosed collective ptsd. Interestingly western soldiers who traumatize us complain of ptsd after killing us. So, ptsd research doesn’t benefit those who need it more than soldiers.