Interfaith dialogue

Post righteous kingdom and trinity/antinomianism of Ishmaelites

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The bloodshed in Syria is in the name of hatred of first post righteous king named Ameer Mu’awiyah and the bloodshed in Yemen is in the name of love of this post righteous king making it the political trinity of Ishmaelites. Or like Paul who is loved by Gentiles and hated by pronomian Semites. Both appear to disagree with the idea of genetic primacy of righteous Semites and Ishmaelitic Prophetic descendants. This line of thinking makes it plausible that Jewish Einstein had a tendency towards Shia Islam. I am a semi-Shia pro-Zaydi Sunni like Nasai and Shawkani.

Alperovich Anatoly I would love if you explain about shia

Ishmael Abraham They are like zionist rabbis of Ishmaelites. Zionist rabbis want to bring Jewish Moshiach into power while they want to bring Ishmaelite Mahdi into power. But both will be disappointed when Messiah and Mahdi ends up opposing them.
 Both need apolitical Scriptural spirituality to recognize the true Mahdi and Messiah.

Liberal unitarianism, conservative unitarianism and Islam

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Ishmael Abraham is with Lenny Wheeler and Peter Bell.
15 December at 22:23

liberal unitarianism perpetuates conservative trinitarianism. God bless conservative unitarian Christians if they exist.

Peter Bell Unitarians can be any political persuasion they like, but their common choice as I understand it is not to be liberal to preserve conservative trinitarianism but to oppose it because of the excesses of conservative trinitarian fundamentalism, which I think you agree do not help anyone and certainly not the cause of an open conversation with our Muslim brothers and sisters. Some of the local unitarians are conservative on a lot of issues, and the ones I know strongly oppose conservative trinitarianism. I’m not interested in arguing, but I am curious as to the sources for your claim here. Why do you believe that what you said is true?
Ishmael Abraham Fundamentalists need empathetic scriptural dialogue not strong opposition. Jesus kept commandments and then had dialogue with pharisees.

 

Kirby Hopper I don’t know about the “perpetuates” part of your post, not sure what you mean by that, but yes, there are plenty of conservative Unitarian Christians. I used to be one of them. The Bible College I went to graduated thousands of them. I think the Worldwide Church of God produced quite a few back in the day. I think Christadelphians are socially conservative, as are members of the Church of God, General Conference (aka Church of God Abrahamic Faith) and the numerous graduates of Atlanta Bible College. These are all what we call “Biblical Unitarians”, as opposed to the Unitarian Universalists which tend to be very liberal.

The Conservatives among us however Ishmael Abraham are rarely the ones who want to even think that Islam has anything to do with God. Many will say it’s of the Devil. They are the same ones who also say people who don’t believe in Futurism, Penal Substitution Atonement, and Eternal Conscious Torment are also of the Devil. I get that judgement on a regular basis. And building bridges with Muslims? OMG, I am off my rocker according to many. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam having a common source in the God of Abraham? I’m am soooo deceived, they say.

I’ll can say this: I rarely get bored. 🙂

Ishmael Abraham Kirby Hopper you are right liberals are more open minded to intelligent interfaith dialogue but due to my own conservative background I cannot help but have the most respect for conservative unitarians and/or pro Torah unitarians. Or may be liberal unitarians may grow conservative through dialogue with Islam
Kirby Hopper Ishmael Abraham understood. I try to stay away from “my goal for you is to be more like me” however I fight the urge continually. I do believe it’s better to learn to love others enough to respect their particular individual journeys through our spiritual landscape. It’s a good place from which to begin interfaith dialogue.
Ishmael Abraham Kirby Hopper I respect your political wisdom 🙂

Explaining spiritualisation of mundane activities through dhikr to a Christian

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Of course, on earth before death there is inevitable distance between loving believers and Beloved God. So, the best form of relationship on earth is to remember Him. Like Paul said: Pray without ceasing. Islam teaches how to pray without ceasing. Even when we go to market, go near husband, or go for call of nature we have sunnah prayers to remember God. Sunnah means Prophetic praxis because actions of remembrance are more important than empty words of boasting piety. So, even worldly activities become spiritualised. When we sleep we pray: O God with Thy name I die and rise up again. Because sleep is sister of death. When we wake up, we pray: All praise is to God who resurrected us after death and towards Him is the final resurrection. When we go to market we glorify God by saying: There is no god except God Alone who is without partner. When we answer the call of nature we pray: O God I ask for your protection against spiritual and physical impurities because our kidneys and stomach produce both physical and spiritual impurities which requires us to renew our state of impurity by ablution as a form of daily baptism. After we get a sense of relief after answering the call of nature we pray: All praise is to God who removed my sense of discomfort and relieved me. So, we thank God for even small blessings and comforts. When we have physical intimacy with our sexual partner in marriage we pray: O God protect us both from Satan and protect the baby which you will bless us from Satan. Today most people forget God as soon as they are outside Mosque or Church and even within Church people are thinking about greed and temptations. I agree with you that faith precedes Law. In Islam, the Companions or Prophetic disciples said: We learnt iman(faith) before Quran(Book containing commandments like Torah).

Sola Scriptura and traditionalist self righteousness in East and West

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Both Sola Scriptura and traditionalist movements can be self righteous. I follow as Quran teaches the middle path(ummatan wasatan) so I follow Prima Scriptura approach. But we can see the disasters of self righteous Protestant Zionism and Salafist phariseeism. Self hating Quranist modernists have no major contribution to Quranic studies other than importing anti-spiritual western culture.

Failure of Ishmaelite outreach and tragedy of blasphemy

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There are important outreach efforts in our sub-continent. Tabligh movement has global outreach but they are not qualified for interfaith dialogue. Dr Zakir is qualified and a bit confrontational but does not have an organized missionary movement. Mufti Taqi has written some reasonable material about Christianity but laymen in Tabligh movement are out of touch with it . Dr Qadri has tried to visit churches but he is criticized for condoning Christian errors, If we integrate these visions in qualification, compassion and outreach we can minimize these tragic events of blasphemy .

But still we should not ignore the legal element of our religion. In western law, in case of preponderant evidence makes you guilty. For example, the evidence against Dr Afia was not of totally certain nature but still she was sentenced. The idea of complete certainty of evidence is actually Islamic. So, in case of iota of doubt, life imprisonment is more just than execution.

مغرب میں اسلام کا پیغام عام کرنے کی کافی اہم کاوشیں بر صغير میں ہو رہی ہی۔ تبلیغی جماعت کے روابط عالمی سطح پر موجود ہیں لیکن وہ بین المذاہب مکالمے کے اہل نہیں۔ ڈاکٹر ذاکر اہل شخصیت ہیں لیکن ان میں تھوڑا پہلو محاذ آرائی کا بھی ہے اور ن کی کوئی منظم مشنری تحریک نہیں ہے۔ مفتی تقی عثمانی صاحب نے عیسائیت کے حوالے سے چند معقول کتب تحریر کی ہیں لیکن تبلیغ سے وابستہ ایک عام فرد ان سے لاعلم ہے۔ ڈاکٹر طاہر القادری نے گرجا گھروں میں جانا شروع کیا لیکن ان پر عیسائی اغلاط کو تسلیم کرنے کی وجہ سے تنقید کی جاتی ہے۔ اگر اہلیت ، ہمدردی اور اسلام کا پیغام کرنے کی کوشش جیسی تین باتیں جمع ہو جائیں تو ہم توہین رسالت جیسے سانحات ہونے کے امکانات کو کم سے کم کر سکتے ہیں۔ لیکن اس کے باوجود ہم اسلام کے قانونی پہلو کو نظر انداز نہیں کر سکتے۔ مغربی قانون میں ، غالب ثبوت آپ کو مجرم بنا دیتا ہے۔ مثال کے طور پر ڈاکٹر عافیہ صدیقی کے خلاف ثبوت کی نوعیت یقینی طور پر ثابت شدہ نہیں تھی لیکن انہیں سزا سنا دی گئی۔ ثبوت کا کلی طور پر یقینی ہونا اسلام کا دیا گیا تصور ہے۔ لہذا ، شبے کا شائبہ ہونے کی صورت میں سزائے موت کے بجائے عمر قید دینا زیادہ قرین انصاف ہوگا۔

The Mission of the Ummah and Asiya Bibi

The pro-Ishmaelite community must compete liberal Murji’ah in rights of servants of God

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Ishmael Abraham being a Pakistani I feel ashamed for not being qualified as a nation to treat a sick traveler to our country in a compassionate and professional way. 
Laura Weichselbaumer No reason for shame. There is no blame. This sickness can be found about everywhere under many different names (Costa Cramps, Dehli Belly, Montezuma’s Revenge, and on and on). If there were to be blame in the situation, then the blame would be on myself. I am a very experienced traveler, including into developing geographies. I certainly have the knowledge to have protected myself from this, but after weeks of beautiful touring in Pakistan, my diligence toward self care became lax in the last couple days. At any rate, it all works for good. I hope that you are able to put down this sense of shame and capture the message of goodness in the story, at the end. 🙂
Ishmael Abraham Thanks for your empathetic understanding. But please educate our traditional culture about improving health infrastructure because Hadith teaches that after prayers and obligatory virtues the most beloved action to God is to make believers happy. West is weak in God’s rights (huquq Allah) and East is weak in rights of servants of God. (huquq al ibaad)

An ex Ismaili criticizes Irish convert to Islam

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Ireland has a violent history like Ismailis. Which creates a profound sense of self hatred. I hope she follows a middle path between traditional Islam and Sola Scriptura Islam to avoid the errors of Catholics and Ismailis. Both have the concept of successive unifying leaders in common, while for Ismailis, unlike Gentiles, leader must have a chosen DNA. As far as infallibility of the leader is concerned, it creates problems. In Sunni Islam, the Caliph Umar considered himself  fallible and valued moral and Scriptural feedback as a gift worthy of prayer for the one who offers it.

Story of repentance of an alcoholic Prophetic descendant

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A Prophetic descendant was a professed alcoholic. He once visited a student of knowledge for some help, but he did not allow him to enter his home, so he came back sadly. During journey to pilgrimage, a scholar among Prophetic descendants did not allow that student to enter his presence, so he wept. When he wept he was allowed to enter. He asked why he was refused although he loved the Prophetic family. He replied: Because you refused entry to my cousin. He wept again and stated: I only did this so that he repents from alcohol. The scholar replied: Respect them any way otherwise you will become a loser. When he came back, the same cousin came again. This time the student respected him a lot. The cousin was surprised. Then he told him the story of the scholar during pilgrimage. He felt guilty and repented. He came back to home and destroyed the bottles of alcohol, and started spending time in Masjid until death and then he was buried near a pious female Prophetic descendant.

This is an important lesson for physical Jews.